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Old 04-29-2009, 10:16 AM
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Small Tea set up questions (ACT)

Is It best to put the compost I a bag, Or stir It In and strain It later?

What Is the best to date garden hose attachment to use?

Is pure no additives Molasses Ok to use?

This Is all for a 5 gal pail set up.

I want to give this a try on my on lawn

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Old 04-29-2009, 10:59 AM
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With good compost you do not need foods, if you are going to use molasses less is more and use unsulphered.
i am not understanding the garden hose question
LOTS of air, you can't have too much

Most folks like to put the compost in some kind of mesh bag, paint strainers work well and are cheap.
Personally I say just throw it in and strain later

just remember, it is not a fertilizer so don't treat it as such. people say it all the time " I put down some compost tea and didn't see any difference the next day?" This is a cultural practice change that will provide results over time
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:21 PM
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daner,

what you put in coincides with the amount of O2 you can deliver? and whether you make a free suspension brew or you use the bag from the beginning is up to you, both ways will produce tea's
you could make a way stronger aerated extract/tea for higher mineral count but it will most likely go/finish anaerobic. and it will need constant stirring if in free suspension.

if your trying to make a true aerobic AACT in 5g depending on air supply you have i would use no more then say 2 cups good post and at the most 5 ml black strap molasses. molasses is more then just sugars,carb's, black strap has a big time salt/mineral content that would surprise most how much is really in it per amounts used,
very high ppm/ec

bills right to a point about no extra foods needed but adding foods will reduce brew times and really help grow out more biology. but BEWARE! less is more, shoot for a brew temp 63-,65/68 preferred-70 and brew for about 12 - 24 hrs+ depending on your temps and recipe.

garden hose siphons can be found many places and i would imagine you could use a miracle grow hose end sprayer if you wanted aslong as if it's strained very well, i like recommending a small sub-pump with garden hose in a barrel/trash can set up if possible for home/garden users
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Old 04-29-2009, 04:37 PM
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molasses is more then just sugars,carb's, black strap has a big time salt/mineral content that would surprise most how much is really in it per amounts used,
very high ppm/ec
Don't count on the EC meter alone to determine this. There are many ionized elements which are soluble to varying degrees and will thus conduct electricity.

I use; compost=2.3% to 3%; black strap molasses 0.45% to 0.75%

Minimum air 0.05 CFM/gal.
Excellent range = >0.08 CFM/gal
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Old 04-29-2009, 07:16 PM
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Thanks for the replies guys...Bill Its the siphon type garden hose set up I'm looking for...I have many sprayers ,but 24d has been through them...and I'm not 100% sure borax will clean the tanks sprayers true clean.

Anyway...I was going to use my big shop compressor for my air stones...but I thought there could be contaminants In the lines so I made my way to our friendly Walmart and got a fish tank pump and some air stones...and clear1/4" tubing...I also bought some Wall mart Molasses<----Is this ok to use?? It does not say Black strap, Its just say 100% natural.

I looked for the paint strainers...and they did not have any...tried HD...Still no paint strainer...I have cheese cloth...will this work?.

Yikes, people are calling me to go cut there lawns...can you beleive the nerve...there Interfering with my sience time...This Is too much fun

I'm still not clear weather to just throw a few good handfulls of Daners best compost in the brew...Or make some kind of bag.

Wish me luck...I have to look for my old microscope now

Thanks again

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Old 04-29-2009, 08:45 PM
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got a fish tank pump and some air stones
Adequate for one gallon or less.

http://www.microbeorganics.com/#So_Y...ost_Tea_Brewer
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Old 04-29-2009, 09:29 PM
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Don't count on the EC meter alone to determine this. There are many ionized elements which are soluble to varying degrees and will thus conduct electricity.l
Tim,

could you shed some more light on this subject for me or perhaps point me in the right direction if you would be so kind?

the meter is showing my supply to be very conductive in small amounts.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:05 AM
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Tim ,I bought the biggest pump from the 3 that they had at Wallmart

What about air from my 5HP shop compressor...I can feather The psi with a needle valve...should there be a concern of contaminants In the air lines?
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:24 AM
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Tim ,I bought the biggest pump from the 3 that they had at Wallmart

What about air from my 5HP shop compressor...I can feather The psi with a needle valve...should there be a concern of contaminants In the air lines?
If you wish to have an efficient brewer you should probably use a tested design (there are lots in the link). I wouldn't use the compressor if it might put oil in the water.
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Tim,

could you shed some more light on this subject for me or perhaps point me in the right direction if you would be so kind?

the meter is showing my supply to be very conductive in small amounts.
Hi C,

EC meters have their place when working with organic matter but because they are easily effected by variances of ionized elements they are not that reliable for determining 'salts' in organic substances [in my opinion]. They are good for determining salt levels in chemical ferts. because they are all salts. I've copied an opinion related to compost below and attached two papers.

"EC test is a measure of the conductivity of a solution. Two poles are inserted into the solution with known separation and the amount of electricity or current passing from one pole to the other via the solution is measured. In my opinion, it is not a very elegant or reliable test method as there are so many potential interferences ... especially when the main interest is to approximate the water-soluble salt (NaCl) ion concentration of a solution.


Thank you,
- Wayne

Wayne H. Thompson - Extension Program Specialist, Biofuels Agronomist
Texas AgriLife Extension Service
Soil and Crop Sciences Department - Texas A & M University"
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