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Old 11-15-2009, 10:10 PM
shovelracer shovelracer is offline
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A lot of interesting thoughts here. Keep in mind that money doesn't make good employees and it barely keeps the good ones around. I've had guys that worked their butts off for me and over the course of several years wound up making good money. As it turned out the more they made the less they wanted to work. There was a good reason for this. They were originally hired for a certain job, as they made more money more was required of them. They didn't want that responsibility, also they really only needed so much a week to survive so if they could make the same amount in 40 hours as they could in 60 than there was no real motivation to stay the extra hours. Very rarely can you make a lawn technician a foreman or manager. Look at the big companies, some hire form within, but most of the time when a new position opens up they hire from outside.

In the end an entry level lawn guy should make no more than 10-11 / hr. I've had guys with no experience demand 14-20 / hr. The problem is no one really needs to work. I had a guy that worked for me that actually quit because he lived better on welfare with food stamps, free heat, rental assistance, and medicaid than making 12/hr.
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:01 AM
allinearth allinearth is offline
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In 13 years this is the worst I have seen. Employees are easier to find but still not that good. Work is sparse and cheap. Socialism is def getting worse. Gov doesn't want small bus that they can't control. Big corporations and big gov is what is coming. The worst thing is, no one seems to see it coming.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:39 PM
tayls03 tayls03 is offline
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So where's a hard worker suppose to find a GOOD job?

I am a 24 year old very hard working white male. Anything you need done, i get done as if it were being done at my own place. PLUS i'm NOT an Ex-con. I get along with everyone, talk with the customers as needed, dependable,and make a friendship out of the account to later get even more work. I can do the works, mowing,edging,weedeating,and blow. I can do numerous other things as well. I grew up in Indiana, but i've been living and doing steady work in Florida for the past 2 years with another guy my age. We would do anywhere from 15-23 yards a day on average. We had an everage of 90 accounts per weeks. Residental and commercial. We would do anything around the house that was outside for the most part. I love the work. I AM one of the guys that is hard to find because i'm NOT afraid to get dirty and work long hours. I just cant aford to pack up and move out unless it's worth a good living. Anyone have any input.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:37 PM
shovelracer shovelracer is offline
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People like you are few and far between. Advice? Well just keep plugging away at it. Most owners were like you at one point. Eventually one day you will have to decide if you want to keep making $X / Hr or try your luck at better money. Starting your own business isnt all it's cracked up to be, but it can be good if you have the drive to make it work. Someone else talked about the owners 40K boat and a hunting trip, but they didn't talk about the fact that the owner is the one who puts everything on the line everyday. When the ship goes down those underpaid workers just roll over to the next company and the owner loses everything he worked year for. That and add about 30 hours a week to your schedule. Something to think about.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:40 PM
ponyboy ponyboy is offline
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so are you a boss or an employee. You have to be careful working in the house check to see what you are insured for and liscened for also. There are some good workers but they are in the minority and like I said it is hard to pay them what they are worth with theindustry going backwards
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:11 PM
tayls03 tayls03 is offline
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I am an employee as of right now but do many side jobs on my own. I would like to start something up one of these days because i know how dedicated and hard worker i am, but at the same time i would be content with someone making it worth my while to run their exsisting buisness. Any good sites anyone can think of to get a decent job? Id like to move back south somewhere, but pay says a lot right now. Anyone?
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:18 AM
zimmatic zimmatic is offline
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shovelracer hit the mark.
Money doenst motivate people, and I also agree that when employee's are loaded with more responsibility and compensation ---production usually falls.

I have found that when I interview all ---ALL applicants ask if there is overtime. Well when I offer it no one takes it---NO ONE. So either I am an arss to work for or I am paying to much in wages that they dont NEED the money, or lazy.
I had 2 great guys this year. One left me for more $$. I coudnt pay him more because he was uninsurable to drive vehicals, so he was relegated to only mowing & etc. Found out he left for 18 cash, ---and still isnt on payroll at the new company and he thinks hes making all this $$$. I asked him why he is doing this and he said for money. I said you dont have recourse for work comp, unemployment benifits and the worst he will be 1099.
the second employee is still with me. He gets 15.60/hr and company pickup. I think it will continue to be a good relationship.

I just dont have a good answer why all these employee's/ potenial employee's do these things but I dont think it is $$$$$
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:04 PM
oasis2010 oasis2010 is offline
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Ever think of hiring a retiree ? I've had a few friends have great success especially on mowing crews. They do great work and they dont care how much they make most of the time.They also tend to respect the customers and equipment more.
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Old 01-01-2010, 09:54 AM
truenorthlandscaping truenorthlandscaping is offline
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Hey Tayls 03, if you're still in this conversation, let's talk. We're growing in Indianapolis.
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Old 01-01-2010, 12:26 PM
Springmeadows Springmeadows is offline
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I feel exactly like tayls03, except I'm 40. Our situation is pretty desperate though, I need work but can't relocate for $10 an hour. I see both sides, paying someone what they're worth is tough or impossible as well. I'll keep looking and am be willing to make something work even if it's temporary.
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