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Old 12-03-2009, 08:24 PM
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$ecr8ts, tricks, strategy, advice tips(making more $ by working smart not hard)

We all operate not fully knowing if our ways are best ways, I drive by competitors and off the bat I can see other companies weaknesses and strenths. I tried to network who knows how many times with other LCO's , but only few are open minded and understand there is more bissiness that we can handle ,even if we adopt other LCO'S strategies. I wonder all the time how does Vendor choose over 10 bids right contractor, we must remember not all Clients choose over bottom line. Some get motivated or inspired over sales pitch or something Landscaper pointed out that they have been looking for for years. How can 3 people mow 1 acre with same machine and same speed , but only one can beat other two by half time and yet have best quality. How can One trim , edge , manicure lawn with trimmer in 5 minutes and it will take other 25 minutes, where are the shortcuts, Who has designed home made blades that work better then Gators. Which bagging sistem bags more, makes less mess and costs a fraction of what dealers provide. I have thousands of questions and simply interest how DO YOU DO IT. Now this Post is not for arrogant, selfish ( me, me , me type) , but LCO's that figured it out on their own, because no one would teach them, not they want to pass on olipic torch of knoweledge to other with out expecting anything in return.
How can I LCO make 100.000 of 40 lawn accounts and others make only 25.000 ( pretending accounts are similar size and dificulty)
We are all victims of daily Marketing, Advertizing on Tv, Adds, and we wonder how we got sucked in? Well my question is how can you manipulate system that we are all in, whith out loosing integrity, honesty, and craftsmenship yet making bucks with less sweat, less bleeding and shorter hours?
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:00 PM
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your thought that there is more business than we can handle, I don't think that is true anymore. I live in a town where i would say the number of people trying to make money mowing a yard almost doubled in the last two years.
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:25 PM
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Where I live In a day I must see about 12-30 trucks anything from pinto pulling a home made trailer to commercial isuzus. I believe in any business there is ducks and eagles. Now the difference is once that fall in khaos and follow eash other and once the lead , thrive , enjoy no mater what competition is. To be honest with you if my bisiness was easy, I would do something else. I love the challenge , besides figuring out a better way to be sicsesfull, I enjoy every day bringing in own challenges. I had days I only made 200.00 per crew I had days I made 3000.00 now what I did different to have such different results is what I try to figure out everyday.
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:39 PM
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I signed on on this site day ago, now I start to see that most of people here are tire kickers that just sign on to pass their boring day or night up. I feel like most just want to be told what to do and how to do it , but very fiew are willing to share. 80/20 rule actually in this bisiness my opinion it is 95/5 rule 5 % make it happen and 95% ask what happends that's why this world will never be equal and there will never be one class of people some work barely to buy a case of beer and others donate them selves to unconditionaly, now I am comfirmed why rich and sussesfull dont share anything is because no one shared anything with them, everything is nagative, and depressing, only portion of professionals really know and understand that charging less then 45.00 per men, per hour is suicide. I read posts after post how guys charge 30.00 per men per hour , why , WHY, WWHHYY. I'd rather sell cellphones in the mall I would make more then that. Bring nothing to work, take nothing home , just your skill and tallent. I bet if you were to ask 80% of guys here what their true overhead with out employees it to the penny they would not know. Yet we all wake up each morning and thing we are making money.
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:50 PM
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One trick I use when putting together a proposal using my Quickbooks program or posting on Lawnsite is to click on the spell check button before I complete the document.
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:02 PM
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I signed on on this site day ago, now I start to see that most of people here are tire kickers that just sign on to pass their boring day or night up. I feel like most just want to be told what to do and how to do it , but very view are willing to share. 80/20 rule actually in this business my opinion it is 95/5 rule 5 % make it happen and 95% ask what happends that's why this world will never be equal and there will never be one class of people some work barely to buy a case of beer and others donate them selves to unconditionaly, now I am comfirmed why rich and sussesfull dont share anything is because no one shared anything with them, everything is nagative, and depressing, only portion of professionals really know and understand that charging less then 45.00 per men, per hour is suicide. I read posts after post how guys charge 30.00 per men per hour , why , WHY, WWHHYY. I'd rather sell cellphones in the mall I would make more then that. Bring nothing to work, take nothing home , just your skill and tallent. I bet if you were to ask 80% of guys here what their true overhead with out employees it to the penny they would not know. Yet we all wake up each morning and thing we are making money.
i see your point of view and respect it, those companys only charging 30.00 per man hr are also the ones going in and out of business, they are also hurting this industry, not only are they doing fly by night work, but they are bring the price of services down, so now everyone else must lower theres just to stay afloat.. its cat chase mouse game... now where our view points may differ is i think a new company has to come in and do work for cheap until they make a name for themselves, such as myself, i charge ( give or take,depending on the customer) about 40.00 per man hr, but i also raise prices yearly...
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:08 PM
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Sorry about spell check, after 6 beers and first time posting forums, and to be honest with you, I didn't't really care for your approval, people that care to see through and between the misspelling are not someone you know, to take the time to respond to my misspelled nonsense and type more nonsense shows yours true intention here, at least I am not kicking tires I try to achieve something with this. English is my 4th language , sorry I didn't't try hard enough to please your approval. Merry Christmas.
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:15 PM
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Sorry about spell check, after 6 beers and first time posting forums, and to be honest with you, I didn't't really care for your approval, people that care to see through and between the misspelling are not someone you know, to take the time to respond to my misspelled nonsense and type more nonsense shows yours true intention here, at least I am not kicking tires I try to achieve something with this. English is my 4th language , sorry I didn't't try hard enough to please your approval. Merry Christmas.
Sorry, I am not looking for your approval, I am posting a sincere answer to your questions. If you want to charge top dollar for your services you need to appear as professional as possible, one way to do that is to use the spell check. Merry Christmas to you.
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:19 PM
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i must hit on this . a company can very much so charge less then $40 per hour per person . most successfull LCO's will agree it we chose not to .
its the smart opperators who come to find ways to offer lower rates and opperate more effecintlly to offset the $$$$ see i can tell a lady ill send a guy out to mow her lawn for $35.00 per hour and if it takes him 2 or 3 hours to complete it then he hasnt lost the company any money ,it is just he hasnt added much value to the company if the same guy cuts 3 out there and another man cuts 1 block over the same size lawns for 40.00
all he has done is made more profit .when time comes and a new unit is brough in and 2 guys cut them all in one day it is now prductivly creating a higher per hour rate of 120-220 per hour it is about qulity production .

we often bid a larger lawn at say $38.00 per hour with a 48" walker then turn around and mow it with a 60"z and knock it out in less then half the time bringing the per hour rate it a round 70.00 per on a one man crew
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:20 PM
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i see your point of view and respect it, those companys only charging 30.00 per man hr are also the ones going in and out of business, they are also hurting this industry, not only are they doing fly by night work, but they are bring the price of services down, so now everyone else must lower theres just to stay afloat.. its cat chase mouse game... now where our view points may differ is i think a new company has to come in and do work for cheap until they make a name for themselves, such as myself, i charge ( give or take,depending on the customer) about 40.00 per man hr, but i also raise prices yearly...


I have learned that I will never go below my minimum no matter what last contractor did work for . I have hundreds if not thousands where my salesmanship pruve all odds wrong and I picked up account for 125 a week when someone did it for 75.00 right before me. There was a reason why they were not happy. Sorry anyone who mows 2-3 acres of turf to pickiest client for 75 is an idiot. To be honest with you those are the guys that buy deere from home depot with 0 interest and 0 payment for like a year, so first year they dont even include their equipment and overhead, they will buy trimmers and blowers from same store in one package deal and leave store with out even taking out check book. They will see a flow of more money then they ever had seen in their life and then buy new truck for 500.00 a month with out realizing insurance will be more too after they drowe a 200.00 beeter before then. Then they will go work 12 hours in the field thinking that grossing 800.00 is allot of money. but after you calculate full year of expences, office materials, field tools, employees, taxes, marketing, depreciation, dings, scratches, stollen equipment, broken equipment by employees, flats, new tires, gloves,business cards, forms,softwares, updates, stamps, and thousand other expenses they wonder how one month they get 20.000 in the account and in a week there is only 500.00 left , yet they brag to friends and family they made 20.000 in a month.
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