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View Poll Results: What do you do with your clippings?
Bag, dump on site 17 9.14%
Bag, Haul away 69 37.10%
Mulch 58 31.18%
Discharge 79 42.47%
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Old 02-27-2010, 09:45 AM
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Impossible to do on my lawns, except maybe in august. They are all irrigated and fertilized. If I didn't bag, the lawn would look like crap. Clumps everywhere. I would have to mow 2-3 times a week in the spring to mulch the grass. Its just how its done around here. Crappy lawns you can let it fly. Real nice lawns must be bagged.
Same here. I wish people would realize that turf, even just cool season turf, grows differently all across the country. The further south you are growing cool season turf the more growth per week you are going to have generally. I have lawns I only fertilize 2 times a year that still must be bagged most of the year because if we didn't there would be windrows of cut grass, and double or tripple cutting dosn't magically dissapear. Especially when it's wet all the time from the dew like it is here until about 11 or noon every damn day. I can cut and bag in a lot less time that it takes to double cut, and that's more true the larger the lawn. Not to mention the less cleanup when bagging, no clumps to blow, no grass clippings in the landscaping, nothing sprayed on the a/c unit and the fences and house. Please don't preach either (the discharging only guys) that you can keep the clippings off of everything...
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Old 02-27-2010, 10:20 AM
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Old 02-27-2010, 10:45 AM
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[QUOTE=CrazyBlonde;3432048]
Mowing higher has the following benefits:
slower growth which leads to less mowing
Grass clippings in moderation should be left on the lawn.
A mulching mower or blade kit can help with this process promoting faster decomposition.
I would ONLY bag occasionally, when you have a extra amount of clippings due to extra growth.][QUOTE]

I absolutely understand the need to bag up extra growth, I do when I need to. Certainly don't need the wind-rows! And I bag when we have a special event immediately following a mowing so as to cut down on tracking the grass clippings inside. I fully understand that perfectly manicured look you all want to achieve, it's beautiful!
If you mow high, and often I really doubt you will notice the clippings.

As for the clippings getting on the a/c, fences and house, I agree it's an issue, but it should be easy to blow off if you mow dry grass, usually dry grass doesn't stick. It's the wet or damp grass that's the issue, and we shouldn't be mowing wet grass anyways due to the tearing and ripping up in clumps.

I know your biggest hurdle is convincing homeowners of the benefits of leaving the clippings so I wish you all luck with that.

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Old 02-27-2010, 11:16 AM
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You do realize there are HUGE differences between the turf where you are in louisiana and the turf in kansas?? Understand that I'm not talking about Bermuda or Zoysia here... I understand those ARE southern grasses and both are as thick or much thicker than TTTF. But they also need special care, and bagging if you do them right.

Cool season grasses are MUCH thicker than southern grasses and usually contain a higher moisture content in the leaf. Unless they are only growing an inch to two inches a week you are going to be working at it hard to try to "hide" the clippings.

And mowing ONLY when the turf is dry? I'd love to, trust me. But it's simply not possible here. I don't know if everyone has dew or not, but it's horrible here most of the time. The grass is saturated pretty much every morning and I'd say the "average" time before the grass is getting dry enoough to be considered "dry" is 10:00 to 10:30 am. That's average... Sometimes its soaking wet till about 11:30 even. I don't know anyone that can be in this business full time and not cut all day and make money. If I started at even 10:00 every morning I'd not get done until dark every day. No thanks. I do love the few mornings we get when it is dry... It's so nice!
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Old 02-27-2010, 11:24 AM
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Yeah I know, but if you were from here, not true!
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Old 02-27-2010, 12:14 PM
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Yes the biggest hurdle to upselling the benefits of mulching clippings is the home owner, neighbor kid and low quality mow & blow leaving clumps of wet clippings all over the lawn - mess under the truck and trailer - clippings stuck in the driveway cracks. This is the mental image they see when we say side discharge or mulch.

This is an education process - most people want instant results - spray those weeds/kill off beneficial micro organisms - grass isn't green enough dump more fert on it - and reset the sprinkler to water every day with a short grass combo...then they blame the lawn guy for not bagging.

I try not to get too preachy or pushy with proper turf health issues with clients but I do plan on publishing a nice brochure on lawn health tips for all my customers and putting it on my website at some point. Also a HUGE upsell for regular annual aeration. Bi-annual for those who lean more heavily towards a chemical dependent lawn. This year I'm throwing in a Free Fall aeration for all my new clients. Even at that one of my new customers questions the need for it even though it will be a no extra cost. Does it need to be done every year? They will spend a ton of money on fert and herbicides but resist aeration.....and then when you aerate they rake up the plugs themselves after you leave.

There are tons of Walker mowers in my area and many LCO's are making multiple trips to the dump every day. I'm currently looking at getting a Toro Grandstand which of course has the Turbo Force deck which is commonly agreed to have the best cut for clippings distribution. Wish me luck in turf evangelism.
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Nice post!

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Old 02-27-2010, 02:54 PM
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I know the 1/3 rule. If I was able to do that or something close I would mulch. Believe me, I would rather not bag. Its a pita. It is pretty much industry standard here that you have to bag. The guys with a pick up truck and trailer might let it fly...but it looks like crap and you definitely notice when you drive by. Most of the year on a nice lawn...it is 5-6 inches when I go to cut it(sometimes higher)AFTER ONE WEEK OF GROWTH. It would be impossible for me to let that fly, believe me I have tried. Then like the other guy said, with the dew in the morning and occasional rain and wet grass to mow. You would understand if you cut up here. Like I said if I cut 2 or 3 times a week, we could easily mulch. I haven't met a person yet who wants me to cut their lawn that much though. Therefore....bagging it is. we cut at about 3.25 inches. Most guys cut right at 3. some at 2 1/2 and some at 3 1/2. I am on the high side and have had quite a few people ask me to cut the lawn shorter. I do not adjust my cut heights, mainly because a I only have a two mowers with quick adjust. Just the way it is. I also have a $40 minimum per lawn.
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we typically mulch, but we do have one customer that requires bagging. Additional times we may bag are in the spring when there are a lot of weeds. We may bag to remove the seeds, so they dont spread...but only when asked to do so, and there is typically a charge to do so.
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Don't bag , have not in 20 yrs , do homes from 400k to 1.7M , had a conversation with a friend who runs 2 crews and bags all spring , he says part of the reason they are not making enough money is all the time, effort, wear and tear on equipment that goes with bagging and dealing with clippings, not sure why you would want to deal with that?
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