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Old 05-18-2010, 10:47 AM
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Yeah but there are plenty of instances where it doesn't hold worth a crap in certain situations and you start sliding (tearing turf). A WB is superior in that aspect.

The machine has its niche, but I'd reconsider buying a second one. I'd probably just save a grand and buy a 48" TTHP. Maybe try a proslide.
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Old 05-18-2010, 05:01 PM
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yeah

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Hehe, see...

There is a reason you don't clone a machine. All I can say is I hope Exmark was forced to clone the Grandstand, otherwise my opinion is their engineers are a bunch of lazy sloths. There were plenty of improvements to be made, but the "all new" Vantage is a glorified Grandstand.

You will get used to the controls. Though I will repeat, they screwed up by not adapting ECS to this mower.

I don't buy the fixed deck BS. It still moves independently of the front casters, so rollers should have been added. Scalping is an issue where it's not with my TTHP. The weight is a concern yep and it will tear if care is not taken.

Overall I say productivity is close to a WB, but with less operator fatigue. Put a sulky on the WB and the WB ***** slaps it IMO except for longer straight stretches where the Vantage has a ground speed advantage. But the sulky is harder on your knees and back and leaves that Godawful line down the middle of the stripe.

I find the machine very comfortable... How much do you weigh?
The idea of the machine is the same, but there are many differences from the grandstand. On second look, there are even more then I have already listed. The frame is completely different because of the way the deck is supported.

ECS would have worked on the machine. The handles are already ECS-ish as it is. The position of the operator on this machine is different from a walk behind.

The deck is not a floating deck. It is fixed to the height adjusters. It's not on chains, or a torsion system like the Next Gen lazer. Scalp wheels will just dig into the turf.
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Old 05-18-2010, 05:09 PM
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I decided AGAINST the Vantage after a demo and reading everything I could.
I did want to like the machine alot, but it just did not have the finesse a WB gives, and with my ProSlide, on certain properties, I am not walking much. Guess I saved 7k!
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Old 05-18-2010, 07:27 PM
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ECS would have worked on the machine. The handles are already ECS-ish as it is. The position of the operator on this machine is different from a walk behind.
Did you mean to type that they would NOT have worked? If so, you're wrong. Sit here and say otherwise, I've been using ECS for 5 seasons and it could have been adapted to the Vantage.

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The deck is not a floating deck. It is fixed to the height adjusters. It's not on chains, or a torsion system like the Next Gen lazer. Scalp wheels will just dig into the turf.
Then why can I pick up on it without raising the front casters?

I realize it's not full floating but rollers would help.
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:12 PM
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I agree that roller would be nice, but for the most part I don't need them. I didn't look real close when I saw the Exmark, but what I did see looks exactly the same as the current model year Toro as far as frame and lift system. I can't make the thing slide on a hill. You do need to be standing on it and not walking behind it. I weigh about 170-180 so maybe that has something to do with it. 20lbs either way could really change things up.
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:38 AM
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It's not so much traversing a hill sideways, it can do a moderately steep slope that way.

It's going up or down or trying to turn around(if going across) where it has problems.
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Old 05-19-2010, 02:26 AM
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I love my 52" Vantage and have found it to work very well on hills. I typically straddle the hills and it hasnt ever slid with me on it and I'm 6'7 250lbs. The front wheels have come off the ground going straight up a hill but that was my own fault. I would highly recommend this machine to anyone out there for any condition!!! Good luck to all and have a great day!!
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Old 05-25-2010, 01:34 AM
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It is fixed to the height adjusters.
I took a closer look the other day, quite the contrary, it's NOT fixed to the height adjusters.

Anyways, been tracking the fuel usage, 1.1-1.3 GPH with the 24. It's a gas sucker for sure, but I'm saving time on the lawns so I think it balances out.
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Old 05-25-2010, 01:56 AM
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Having read through your posts, I'm having trouble imagining why I'd give up our 36" and 48" TTHPs.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:38 AM
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There is a productivity increase with less fatigue. Both pretty good reasons. However, there are downsides as I noted.

I'm probably going to get another TTHP or two next season. They just rock.
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