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Old 03-28-2014, 01:05 PM
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Hardscaping vehicle advice

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I've been lurking these forums a long time, and have poured over countless threads of diesel vs gas, used vs new, etc.... Problem is, most of it is by softscape guys, so its not as applicable.

I'm an urban contractor, who also lives downtown. I park in a tight area, and often work in tight areas (alleys, 1 way streets, etc...). I rarely pull a trailer unless it has a skid steer I'm renting from a buddy, but most of my excavation is either by wheelbarrow (smaller jobs) or subbed out.

All I really need is payload for the times where I can't get material delivered to site (no access), or the usual "lets add steps here" and I cant get delivery fast enough, so I pick it up the next day to keep on schedule.

No matter what truck, its a crew cab short box (maybe regular cab long).
I'm leaning toward a ram diesel 2500 ('13 or '11), but I'm worried that

a) its too much engine to buy for too little work (underutilized)
b) the sheer amount of city driving won't be great for a diesel (lots of short trips)
c) just spend the extra couple $K and get a 3500 series
d) I'm in Canada, so it'll be 4x4....might (small might) do some part time plowing. But really, how important are diff lockers. Had them on my old F-250 5.4 v8, and not sur if I'll miss them in general.

Any info is appreciated. If this thread should be moved, please let me know.
I typically put 20-25k per year on, mostly city. Though I'm branching out along the highway more.
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Old 03-28-2014, 01:16 PM
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I honestly do not see a diesel needed in your situation, as you are a growing company and not hauling every single day. I would go for a F350 or 3500 dodge or GM, I say this because you can grow into it and the amount of payload you can legally haul with a 250 runs out quickly. 4x4 is important for mud and snow plowing. If I were you i would buy the 4x4 no matter what so you can grow into it and maybe put a plow on it in later years. And for the lockers they are not very important most modern 4x4s work perfectly without them. Front lockers can help when plowing to back out of piles. Gas is also easier to find in most cities.
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Old 03-28-2014, 01:17 PM
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Easy answer.

Isuzu cab over.

Do your plowing with a skid steer. Pickups are not intended by the manufacturers for plowing.

End of discussion.

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Old 03-28-2014, 01:39 PM
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4x4 Fuso cabover with a dump body.
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Old 03-28-2014, 01:48 PM
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Easy answer.

Isuzu cab over.

Do your plowing with a skid steer. Pickups are not intended by the manufacturers for plowing.

End of discussion.

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Why would dodge have a commercial on TV about their trucks and one of them has a plow in it?
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Old 03-28-2014, 02:01 PM
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Dam, I was hoping cab over wouldn't come up.

I'd love to get one, but its truly out of my budget. Decent used ones dont really exist....and new is prohibitive. For my high payload, low tow needs, it is the right call though. In my residential neighbourhood, I can already hear the complaints (its a white collar area, just my luck)
I'm keeping my eyes open. Whatever it is will be a daily driver, though I do use the fiancees car when not working.

And as for the diesel aspect (thank you steve), even with an NPR, would you go that route?
Thanks for the comments so far.
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Old 03-28-2014, 02:08 PM
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When it comes to work trucks, people are foolish.

You can get a nice cab over for the same cost as a pick up. Way more payload. And well built European engineering.
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Old 03-28-2014, 02:57 PM
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2012 used fuso diesel dump reg cab 4x4 is like 50k
http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsde...cid=2000659614
If you were to get a fuso I would go diesel
A guy that my boss subs concrete work to has a fuso with over 200k great truck.
The only reason I did not say fuso at first is because he mentioned a pickup truck not a medium to smaller size dump truck
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Old 03-28-2014, 03:12 PM
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What about a 1 ton with dump bed insert? Or a dually one ton?
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Old 03-28-2014, 03:30 PM
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i would absolutely go 350 or 3500 or higher. do you pick up your own material? sand, hardpack etc.. if so i would get a dump and probably a 450. even a one ton srw can only hold one pallet of block. a 450 drw pickup would be perfect if you dont want a dump, they can hold two pallets.
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