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Old 01-06-2016, 01:55 PM
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Illinois Irrigation Contractors

Just wondering who here is a contractor in Illinois and if you are aware of the poorly advertised new licensing requirements for 2016???


This is going to turn into a mess... just a heads up.
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Old 01-06-2016, 02:34 PM
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Just wondering who here is a contractor in Illinois and if you are aware of the poorly advertised new licensing requirements for 2016???


This is going to turn into a mess... just a heads up.
Was it Illinois a few year's ago that passed some dickwad law that gave the plumbers the right to fool with our stuff? Post the proposed new regs, if you can, I know I.A. went after them for the past b.s.
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:21 PM
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Was it Illinois a few year's ago that passed some dickwad law that gave the plumbers the right to fool with our stuff? Post the proposed new regs, if you can, I know I.A. went after them for the past b.s.
Plumbing unions have always been in big with irrigation in Illinois. You have to have either a contract with or employee a master plumber to even be able to do irrigation work in this State. Plus they have to be CCCDI certified, by the Illinois EPA, to test backflows.


3-4 years ago, our irrigation law was sunsetting, as all laws due every 10 years. The plumbers did not want anyone who wasn't a licensed plumber to be able to do any irrigation work at all in the State. There was finally some agreement and they just reenacted the same law as before, however they finally added insurance requirements and education requirements.

Insurance was first enforced last year. The new education requirements will be enforced this year.

The education requirements state that you must pass a 2 day class, as approved by the State of Illinois, to be able to get your irrigation contractor registration. We previously had worked with the IA on making sure the CIC & CID classes would meet this requirement, no problem.

Illinois is now stating that you can only take their class, which as of today, is only going to be offered 2 times before the new season for licenses (March 1). These classes are limited to 25 people per class (so 50 times). Each CONTRACTOR has to have a least one person who has taken the class and passed it to be able to be licensed.

This class was randomly made up by someone who is a plumber and doesn't do large projects, or any specialty work (that I know of). This class also costs $500 per person and you are REQUIRED to take it EVERY YEAR.

That State of Illinois has also came back and said no IA or Rain Bird or any other class will ever qualify to meet their requirements for the certification. None previously, none now, or the future.

So yes, they (the State of Illinois) is in the process of screwing all their contractors out of work, and so far, no one is doing anything about it.


Illinois Irrigation Code: http://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/...2sections.html


Here is the requirement on education the does not spell it out very clearly or definitively
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Section 892.25 Providers of Lawn Sprinkler Design and Installation Courses

a) A college, university, trade school, vocational school, or association that has established a program providing a course of instruction in lawn sprinkler design and installation may submit a letter to the Department requesting approval of its program or course of instruction. (Section 2.5(f) of the Law)

b) The letter shall be obtained by downloading the letter from the Department's website (http://www.idph.state.il.us/envhealth/plumbing.htm).

c) The letter shall be submitted to the Illinois Department of Public Health, 525 West Jefferson Street, 3rd Floor, Springfield, Illinois 62761.

d) The request for approval shall include information on the curriculum offered by the program and the qualifications of the organization. The course shall consist of a minimum of 2 days of classroom education and an exam and shall include a provision for continuing education. (Section 2.5(f) of the Law) The curriculum offered by the program shall minimally consist of the following topics and the amount of time proposed to be devoted to each topic:

1) Basic principles of irrigation systems;

2) Planning and designing an irrigation system, including estimating, installation, repair and maintenance;

3) Alteration, extension and dismantling of irrigation systems;

4) Irrigation system components, materials and equipment;

5) Joints and connections;

6) Inspection and testing of an irrigation system;

7) Sciences of pneumatics and hydraulics as they apply to irrigation systems;

8) Plastics and thermoplastic materials utilized in irrigation systems;

9) Installation practices, including site and worker safety;

10) Use and care of tools and equipment;

11) Source water for irrigation systems; and

12) Electric controls and control systems for irrigation systems.

e) The Department shall evaluate the curriculum and organization before making a determination to approve or deny a request for approval. (Section 2.5(f) of the Law)

(Source: Added at 38 Ill. Reg. 22222, effective November 12, 2014)
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:52 PM
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Another prime example of a group (Illinois plumbers in this case) to limit competition and drive up prices within their market by using government.

Of course, the best examples of this are in primarily blue states (Illinois being a deep blue as you can be) but it does happen all over.
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:58 PM
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Plumbing unions have always been in big with irrigation in Illinois. So yes, they (the State of Illinois) is in the process of screwing all their contractors out of work, and so far, no one is doing anything about it.
That is typical "union" consciousness, and it's crap. I don't recall any of us wanting to plumb a house, so why are they wanting to stroll into our gig (that they admit to knowing NOTHING (or caring) about)?
I was at a State-sponsored backflow conference (the only irrigation contractor) and the issue of who's who came up. Some butt-crack union plumber stood up and demanded THEY control the water usage and application. I stood up and told him to think about others that have devoted their lives to irrigation. I was about ready to give him a shot to the chops, but calmer minds prevailed. Good luck.
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:02 PM
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What gets me is that most plumbers don't want anything to do with irrigation. Why make it so hard?
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:11 PM
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What gets me is that most plumbers don't want anything to do with irrigation. Why make it so hard?
I've seen a few plumber-installed systems, talk about overkill without thought to layout or application.
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:15 PM
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What gets me is that most plumbers don't want anything to do with irrigation. Why make it so hard?
Because at least in this state, they (unions) provide the most financial backing to candidates.


My goal on getting this out there isn't about bitching about unions or not. It is about the completely screwed up new training requirements that will affect many people this year.


I did reach out to the IA, but have yet to hear anything from them about this or what they can do. It seems (in my opinion at least) they aren't very fond of trying to fight \ support in this State.
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Worst system I ever saw was done by plumbing company with irrigation division
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Old 01-06-2016, 05:34 PM
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I get tired of new regulations, requirements, etc.
Nobody informs you and it's up to you to know.
Especially true with backflow testing.
Luckily a local supply house tries to keep us informed.
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