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Old 03-31-2014, 11:54 AM
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don't know how to bid!

Hey I'm just starting out this year and have already picked up a decent amount of work and I do know how to bid jobs pretty well, but this isn't about me not knowing how to bid. It's about low ballers. Anyways I was hanging out with one of my friends and he said his mom wanted some work done, and I should have called and asked her what she wanted done, but I ended up waiting to see if she would call me. She never did and ended up hiring a guy that had a crew because she didn't think I was capable of doing the job fast enough by myself. Well I went over to my friends house Saturday and the crew his mom hired is still doing the clean up that they had started on Friday and they have a four man crew. They ended up leaving at the end of the day and still had to come back Monday to finish. Now they did do a lot of work, but the work they did should have only taken maybe one day for a four man crew. Once they finish they will be over 80 man hours into the job and they only charged $850. How in the world are they even making money! Personally,I think I would have done the job in probably 3 days by myself and would have charged the same amount. They have done a good job but gees, they need to learn how to work faster or bid accordingly.I mean they are only making $10-$15 an hour if theyre lucky. Not hating on them, was just wondering if other guys have run into this before. It didn't really bother me that I didn't get the job, just bothered the crap out of me that the owner is basically working for free or he's paying his crew next to nothing and still barely making money and this is coming from me and I only charge $25/man hour on extras. Mowing of course, I make closer to $50/man hour
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Old 03-31-2014, 12:09 PM
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Illegals. Probably getting paid $5 an hour.
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Old 03-31-2014, 01:07 PM
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Illegals. Probably getting paid $5 an hour.
That's sort of what I thought, that's the only way the boss could have made money
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Old 03-31-2014, 01:25 PM
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or maybe he needs the work to keep his crew working, even if he doesn't make money, his crew labour is paid for
I am not going to get into all the other expenses of running a crew, but maybe $850 is better than nothing and still having to pay the crew
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Yeah, I have heard of the Break Even pricing just to keep crews busy, but those are in the off season, sounds like this was during a time when all crews are up and running. Probably a little bit of what Creative mentioned too. Tough to compete when 12 pile out a of truck for 5$ an hour
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Old 03-31-2014, 03:46 PM
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Concentrate on your business and bottom line. When given enough rope no one will be around for the hanging and you will in time have the work your concerned about now. Leave it alone and move forward.
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Old 03-31-2014, 04:27 PM
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Concentrate on your business and bottom line. When given enough rope no one will be around for the hanging and you will in time have the work your concerned about now. Leave it alone and move forward.
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Thanks, didn't really care that I didn't get the job, because I put no effort into getting it, of course it would have been a good job. I just thought it sucked for those guys, I don't think it was to keep a crew busy by the way, the guys looked like day laborers and didn't have anything that looked to me like they were a real business. I couldn't imagine only making $10-$15 per man hour, if he's paying his workers a decent amount per hour and not $5 then he for sure took a loss. Oh well, just felt like posting it since, I thought it was interesting.
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Old 03-31-2014, 10:48 PM
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I don't think it's about bidding the job wrong, you yourself said you would have charged the same.

sot he number is right…guys are goofing off, screwing up, and basically bungling.

It happens all the time.
Poorly trained, poorly equiped, poorly managed.
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Old 03-31-2014, 11:29 PM
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Nobody is getting paid 5 dollars an hour...

It is just not happening...

There is nowhere in the entire continental United States of America where a landcaping/lawncare laborer is getting paid 5 dollars an hour.
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