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Old 12-14-2011, 03:07 PM
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Patio looks nice, the abundance of those walls/steps/fireplace etc it hideous IMO.

Hope the homeowner picked out that style.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:17 PM
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Walls look good but hears some advice. I have creta walls out there that are 11'+ tall. You need to make sure you pull the grid as far forward on the block as you can. It looks like you only have the grid half way across the block. As you build the wall and get higher the wall will start to lean forward since the grid will make the back on the block higher then the front.


Also we cut cut out tiny sections of the grid so the grid does not sit on those little pvc chanels. This will also screw up how the block sits.
That is some of the best advice I have heard on here in a while... we found out that the hard way. This was our first wall with mini creta over 4', and we do alot, alot of walls over 4' with grid. Usually you only have to put the grid in every 4 rows or so, but with the creta it was every 2. Luckily we figured it out about half way up and it didn't end up being an issue.

Also we found we didn't have to cut out for the clips, when we put a block on we just hit it with a rubber mallet and it sat fine.

I will also add mini creta is a pain in the a** when using grid, and personally I would never use it for a wall over 4' or 5', i just don't feel its a large enough block for a big wall. Just my opinion though...

Another great thing about Contractor "A" is he told the homeowner this was the only block available so they had to use it (its by far the most expensive wall block in our area) and the homeowner DOESN"T EVEN LIKE IT!!!!!! And yes you can most definitely put some of the blame on the homeowner for not researching wall block but come on... the contractor deserves to loose everything for pulling all this BS and I'm sure its not the first time he has done it.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:22 PM
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Looks good! Quick question. How do you make sure that the base below the steps are fully compacted without both side walls built? I find that I have to build the walls and steps at the same time and it can be a pain to get the compactor in between the walls. Does that make sense?
I get what your saying. We use stone under our steps, so when we go to build the side that we left undone, as we go up we just fill the six inches or so on that end of the step back in with stone, (we have already compacted the other 5 1/2' with a vibratory plate compactor in this case). Stone is at 95% compaction just dumped in a trench, and that coupled with only six inches needing to be filled in, the step will not settle. Done it hundreds of times.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:24 PM
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The black flex pipe cut flush with the wall, what's that for?
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Its an inspection hole for when you come and inspect my work

You and I both know what its for, and I think I know where your going with this, but go ahead lets hear it.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:27 PM
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Patio looks nice, the abundance of those walls/steps/fireplace etc it hideous IMO.

Hope the homeowner picked out that style.
Couldn't agree more, I hate the stone work and quite honestly its was done quite poorly in my opinion. However it was done before we arrived onsite so I didn't see who or how it was constructed. I can gladly say we had nothing to do with it.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:37 PM
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Its an inspection hole for when you come and inspect my work

You and I both know what its for, and I think I know where your going with this, but go ahead lets hear it.

Yeah, it should never be flush with the block. Should extend far anough past the block so the base isn't undermined in the event water actually discharged from it.

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Old 12-14-2011, 06:49 PM
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Once again, nice looking work. I like the pavers a lot, what are they? I agree with you though on the stone work, it looks hideous! How do like the "The Paver Placer" pros and cons please!!! Does it slow you down, and do you only use it on large paers?
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:10 PM
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That is some of the best advice I have heard on here in a while... we found out that the hard way. This was our first wall with mini creta over 4', and we do alot, alot of walls over 4' with grid. Usually you only have to put the grid in every 4 rows or so, but with the creta it was every 2. Luckily we figured it out about half way up and it didn't end up being an issue.

Also we found we didn't have to cut out for the clips, when we put a block on we just hit it with a rubber mallet and it sat fine.

I will also add mini creta is a pain in the a** when using grid, and personally I would never use it for a wall over 4' or 5', i just don't feel its a large enough block for a big wall. Just my opinion though...

Another great thing about Contractor "A" is he told the homeowner this was the only block available so they had to use it (its by far the most expensive wall block in our area) and the homeowner DOESN"T EVEN LIKE IT!!!!!! And yes you can most definitely put some of the blame on the homeowner for not researching wall block but come on... the contractor deserves to loose everything for pulling all this BS and I'm sure its not the first time he has done it.
I hate doing grid on ANY techo product. Those pvc things are always a pain and I never had luck not cutting the grid around them. Its amazing how much faster I can build a versa lok wall vs techo.
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:16 PM
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Once again, nice looking work. I like the pavers a lot, what are they? I agree with you though on the stone work, it looks hideous! How do like the "The Paver Placer" pros and cons please!!! Does it slow you down, and do you only use it on large paers?
Thank you. They are techo-bloc Blu 60 pavers. Very nice, one of my favorite pavers.

Ok about the paver placer... buy one, haha. Love it. We had been looking to get it for quite some time now but just never did. When we got this job (a little over 2000sf) we finally decided to purchase the paver placer.

Pros- Production, production, production... its WAY up. In the pictures I posed of it you can see our employee using it, quite frankly, hes over weight 52 years old and just a slow worker in general (he is usually our tri-axle driver but it was all hands on deck for this job). He and one "feeder" and laid both of the smaller patio areas in one day (not cut in). I believe the total was around 800sf. And the entire pool deck was laid in one day with 4 guys (2 with paver placers and 2 feeding) You don't have to bend over, or be on your knees laying its a real back saver especially when laying larger pavers. Another thing I like is it is great for extracting pavers if they have broken after compaction when doing poly sand. It will pick up 60lbs.

Cons- Not to many really. The air hoses can be a pain, they do get in your way sometimes. I guess the major thing is it is really only useful for larger pavers. The suction cups are to big to pick up normal hollandstone pavers. But... I have been told the company has 3" suction cups that would work for smaller pavers, we just don't have them yet. But then again I think laying smaller pavers by hand would be quicker. This is really meant for larger heavy pavers.

Ill get some close up pictures of it tomorrow for you all. Its a neat design, very simple and if you are good at making things with metal you could probably make it your self, if you can find suction cups.
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Old 12-15-2011, 04:38 PM
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Couldn't agree more, I hate the stone work and quite honestly its was done quite poorly in my opinion. However it was done before we arrived onsite so I didn't see who or how it was constructed. I can gladly say we had nothing to do with it.
I thought you did it all.

It is just way overboard and doesn't go with the patio stone.

What is the point of one guy doing the patio, another guy doing the walls and all that, and yet another guy doing the plants?

That is a recipe for it not flowing and looking right in the end. Like we have here.

Your work looks good though!
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