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Old 02-27-2011, 12:09 PM
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We do all that. I understand why we have moss. My question was about what affect, if any, does using moss control products have on soil microorganisms.

Here is a quote from WSU Extention,

"Moss can be killed with products containing ferrous sulfate, ferrous ammonium sulfate, including Moss-Out, Moss-Kil, Rid-Moss, and a variety of Lawn Fertilizers with Moss Control; or moss & algae killing soaps such as Safer's. None of these materials pose serious threats to the environment; in fact iron and sulfur are essential nutrients for grasses and tend to improve their color. Although these products will kill existing moss, unless the underlying conditions are changed, moss or other weeds are likely to reappear."


http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/lawn003/lawn003.htm

http://gardening.wsu.edu/column/09-20-98.htm
I would think you would be fine. The article says it has iron and sulfur in it which is present in most of your fertilizers, and they don't hurt the micro organisms. Where you get into trouble with killing micro organisms is using insecticides or a soil fumigant, because that stuff has to be water or injected into the soil profile. these products just seems like it is sprayed onto the moss and not. The products should have a label, i would just read that and see what it says. From my thinking it sounds like its fine.
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:13 PM
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Go to this site http://www.mossbuster.com/
I've seen research on golf courses for years on moss. This new product is getting great results
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:35 PM
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Go to this site http://www.mossbuster.com/
I've seen research on golf courses for years on moss. This new product is getting great results
The OP says he knows HOW to get rid of moss. The question is what these products do to the soil microbiology.
And ICT Bill's answer is probably as close as we can come.
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:16 PM
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We do all that. I understand why we have moss. My question was about what affect, if any, does using moss control products have on soil microorganisms.

Here is a quote from WSU Extention,

"Moss can be killed with products containing ferrous sulfate, ferrous ammonium sulfate, including Moss-Out, Moss-Kil, Rid-Moss, and a variety of Lawn Fertilizers with Moss Control; or moss & algae killing soaps such as Safer's. None of these materials pose serious threats to the environment; in fact iron and sulfur are essential nutrients for grasses and tend to improve their color. Although these products will kill existing moss, unless the underlying conditions are changed, moss or other weeds are likely to reappear."


http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/lawn003/lawn003.htm

http://gardening.wsu.edu/column/09-20-98.htm
Rather than killing think about going with the flow on a site, often it is difficult to compete with trees and environmental factors

I guess I am not getting the question, why are you worried about the soil microcrobes???? If you change the environment you will change the make up of the relevant soil microorganinisms

again look up succession in soils
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Old 02-28-2011, 12:30 AM
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Rather than killing think about going with the flow on a site, often it is difficult to compete with trees and environmental factors

I guess I am not getting the question, why are you worried about the soil microcrobes???? If you change the environment you will change the make up of the relevant soil microorganinisms

again look up succession in soils



I think I approached this question wrong. What I was really asking is how these moss control products fit in with an organic approach to lawn care. About 3 years ago we began switching our clients to organic fertilizers and very low pesticide use. We plan on adding compost tea later this year and eliminating all pesticide use. Did you take a look at the links I posted? We do most of the things suggested in the articles.
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Old 02-28-2011, 12:38 AM
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ICT Bill, You should come up with a moss control product for your Earth Harvest Organics line.
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:50 AM
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ICT Bill, You should come up with a moss control product for your Earth Harvest Organics line.
Its called Ca Fe Lime "Ca Fe" stands for Calcium and Iron
for some reason the site would not let me put Ca and Fe together, it just showed ****

I did not get a chance to go to the links, its spring in my world all work and no play
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Old 02-28-2011, 09:01 AM
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Go to this site http://www.mossbuster.com/
I've seen research on golf courses for years on moss. This new product is getting great results
OH Jeez
"The EPA has listed this product as a reduced risk biochemical"
there is no such designation by the EPA, if you can find it I would be very surprised

"Moss Buster is composed of all natural plant extracts and essential oils. It is child and pet friendly 20 minutes after it has been applied!"

so it is not child and pet friendly before that, what if it takes longer than that to dry?

OVER $100.00 per 1000 sq ft you have got to be kidding me
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Old 02-28-2011, 09:13 AM
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OH Jeez
"The EPA has listed this product as a reduced risk biochemical"
there is no such designation by the EPA, if you can find it I would be very surprised
Come on Bill.

http://www.epa.gov/PR_Notices/pr97-3.html
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Old 02-28-2011, 10:56 AM
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I stand by my first statement there is no EPA designation "reduced risk biochemical" they have "reduced risk pesticides" but not "biochemical"
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