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Old 12-29-2011, 09:49 AM
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David, that is the reason it took so long to for her to see a specialist. Kay was a barber/Hair Stylist. (I was actually her last hair cut) thanks to ObamaCare, she got the run around for months. By the time she got to see a specialist and get a biopsy it was too late. That's onr of the reasons I applied for the Arborist/Horticulturist position at Audubon Zoo/Park, not only will the position allow me to gain a great amout of knowledge & expierence while I finish my Degree in Hort. (Will realy give me the expierence to bring my company to a new level, when I finish college). Plus the benefits are top notch. But if the pay isn't worth it, I've got about 8000postcards ready to go out come mid Jan.
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Old 12-29-2011, 04:53 PM
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David, that is the reason it took so long to for her to see a specialist. Kay was a barber/Hair Stylist. (I was actually her last hair cut) thanks to ObamaCare, she got the run around for months. By the time she got to see a specialist and get a biopsy it was too late. That's onr of the reasons I applied for the Arborist/Horticulturist position at Audubon Zoo/Park, not only will the position allow me to gain a great amout of knowledge & expierence while I finish my Degree in Hort. (Will realy give me the expierence to bring my company to a new level, when I finish college). Plus the benefits are top notch. But if the pay isn't worth it, I've got about 8000postcards ready to go out come mid Jan.
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I don't understand how a degree will really help you at this point. You need to be making contacts, doing work, creating a referral base, creating name recognition, building your list of clients, getting more experience by DOING. A degree cannot do that. You can self teach yourself a horticulture degree in your after hours. Nobody gives a sh!t about a piece of paper. You need to working now! It takes 10-20 years to grow a successful business. Time is wasting.

I think benefits are overated. Health insurance is CHEAP for us younger folks. I have a high deductible, but I pay $100 a month for myself and $350 for my wife and two kids.... that is cheap!

Do you not enjoy being self-employed? Why would you cap your income by working at the zoo?
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Old 12-29-2011, 05:38 PM
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I don't understand how a degree will really help you at this point. You need to be making contacts, doing work, creating a referral base, creating name recognition, building your list of clients, getting more experience by DOING. A degree cannot do that. You can self teach yourself a horticulture degree in your after hours. Nobody gives a sh!t about a piece of paper. You need to working now! It takes 10-20 years to grow a successful business. Time is wasting.

I think benefits are overated. Health insurance is CHEAP for us younger folks. I have a high deductible, but I pay $100 a month for myself and $350 for my wife and two kids.... that is cheap!

Do you not enjoy being self-employed? Why would you cap your income by working at the zoo?
I agree with a lot of what you said, but I do think a degree says 2 things:
1.) I took the time to learn a certain amount of info and have a degree to prove that.
2.) It shows you are more than just a lawnboy like most of the clowns in this business.

In this line of work, half of the people are uneducated guys who are just working because they can't succeed at anything else and it is "easy."

BUT, I agree with everything else you said.
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Old 12-29-2011, 05:57 PM
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Kajun, if you're a Veteran you get VA coverage. Zero deductible, zero premium, zero copays, free surgeries, free prescriptions until the day you die. I hope you check it out, because it's just about the best deal around.

I've used the system for a $25,000 hand surgery, $12,000+ medical imaging tests, etc. I'm sure there's a satellite office near your part of New Orleans. Check it out, tell 'em I sent ya!
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Old 12-29-2011, 07:17 PM
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I agree with a lot of what you said, but I do think a degree says 2 things:
1.) I took the time to learn a certain amount of info and have a degree to prove that.
2.) It shows you are more than just a lawnboy like most of the clowns in this business.

In this line of work, half of the people are uneducated guys who are just working because they can't succeed at anything else and it is "easy."

BUT, I agree with everything else you said.
I can agree with you to a point.

Do you think a degree proves competency? I think the only degree that has merit in this business is a landscape architecture degree.

I also think you have to do much more than have a degree hanging on the wall to differentiate from the competition.

I am continually amazed at how many large company owner's have no college degree.
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I can agree with you to a point.

Do you think a degree proves competency? I think the only degree that has merit in this business is a landscape architecture degree.

I also think you have to do much more than have a degree hanging on the wall to differentiate from the competition.

I am continually amazed at how many large company owner's have no college degree.
I agree. Maybe things are different in your neck of the woods, but I wouldn't call but maybe 10-20% of the "landscape companies" around here professional. I mean that in every aspect of the industry. From knowing how to run a business, to knowing their trade.

I do agree that hands on is the best knowledge. BUT, having a degree is NEVER going to hurt.
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Old 12-29-2011, 07:56 PM
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I can agree with you to a point.

Do you think a degree proves competency? I think the only degree that has merit in this business is a landscape architecture degree.

I also think you have to do much more than have a degree hanging on the wall to differentiate from the competition.

I am continually amazed at how many large company owner's have no college degree.
I don't totally agree with the LA degree. Most companies who have a LA do NOT know plant material and will put things that need full sun in part sun, things that need full shade in full sun, etc. AT LEAST around here.

I think it is important to be well rounded and know all aspects of one's trade to a degree. Doesn't mean be an expert, but have a good understanding and knowledge.
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Old 12-29-2011, 08:05 PM
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I agree. Maybe things are different in your neck of the woods, but I wouldn't call but maybe 10-20% of the "landscape companies" around here professional. I mean that in every aspect of the industry. From knowing how to run a business, to knowing their trade.

I do agree that hands on is the best knowledge. BUT, having a degree is NEVER going to hurt.
Well having a degree can hurt if it postpones growth. I remember one of my friends went to college for a turf management degree instead of growing his business like I was. It hurt him... put him 5 years behind.

I guess when I think professional and college degree... the two don't really correlate in our industry. Maybe its not your college degree that makes you competent... maybe its more of who you are, who you want to be, and how you want to represent yourself. Maybe a college degree is just effect of your initial mentality and initial competency.
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Old 12-29-2011, 08:08 PM
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I don't totally agree with the LA degree. Most companies who have a LA do NOT know plant material and will put things that need full sun in part sun, things that need full shade in full sun, etc. AT LEAST around here.

I think it is important to be well rounded and know all aspects of one's trade to a degree. Doesn't mean be an expert, but have a good understanding and knowledge.
That is true. Most LA's do suck. But it is an excellent selling point that consumers will eat up.

I think being successful goes far beyond just having a degree. A degree is helpful, but it is NOT a one way ticket to success.
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Old 12-29-2011, 08:14 PM
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Muddy, I do agree with you. i only have two semesters left to garduate. there are few of the hort classes i really want to take. Irrigation is one of them. the other plus side is the millitary is paying my tuition, and books. and i will be getting a nice check each month (around $900) for being a fulltime student. the zoo position was just an idea.

i could have 3full days of mowing come march if i put my mind to it.

my ultimate goal is around 65-75 mowing accounts, use thurs-sat for tree & landscape work.
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