Corn Gluten not labeled for crab grass control???

[ICT Bill]

Originally Posted by Marcos

Focus on building the turf's overall density.
Ultimately, thick, healthy turf will be your best crabgrass & broadleaf control.

Corn gluten meal @ 10 lb / 1000 is fine as a fertilizer.
So are soybean, alfalfa or cottonseed meal all @ 15-20 lb / 1000.
Distiller's grains has become the hottest deal going cost-wise at least in this part of the country.
Gotta go w/ the flow!

Marcos
I really like distillers grain, it has nice color, spreads easily and does have a fair amount of gluten

[Dr.NewEarth]

Correct your soil pH too.

[ICT Bill]

Originally Posted by Dr.NewEarth

Correct your soil pH too.

If you are on the wagon or in AA it would not be a good idea, you will smell like liquor. What do you mean? I have never looked at the pH, fill me in

at $250 a ton it is a great deal

[Dr.NewEarth]

I have a book here published by Acres U.S.A. that says to correct the pH and that will help control the crab grass naturally. It can take two years, but it works.

I usually get flamed when I tell people this.

[Smallaxe]

Originally Posted by Dr.NewEarth

I have a book here published by Acres U.S.A. that says to correct the pH and that will help control the crab grass naturally. It can take two years, but it works.

I usually get flamed when I tell people this.

Snake Oil and BS are still the only 2 great sellers in this lagging economy... You should try it for 2 years and write up a testamonial...

I like Bill's CGM that is good for 6 weeks then you can overseed again...

[Marcos]

Originally Posted by Dr.NewEarth

I have a book here published by Acres U.S.A. that says to correct the pH and that will help control the crab grass naturally. It can take two years, but it works.

I usually get flamed when I tell people this.

Actually, you're right.
Even though its N-potency is around 1/3 less, distiller's grain is actually a better acidifier than cottonseed meal.
It's proving over & over to be a tremendous product in terms of value in our heavy clay, generally high pH S. Ohio soil.

http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/news/columns/...illers-grains/

excerpt:
"Before you pack it into the bag, verify that your wet distillers grain has a pH between 3 and 3.5. A low pH enhances preservation, especially when you ensile wet distillers grain with corn stalks or other high-fiber feeds that don�t contain enough water-soluble carbohydrates for proper fermentation.
Most wet corn byproducts come from the processing plant with a pH between 3 and 3.5. Just make sure to ask for an analysis."

[Kiril]

Originally Posted by Marcos

Actually, you're right.

Right with respect to what? I see CG in soils that hover around a neutral pH.

[Smallaxe]

Now we're saying that fermentated corn will acidify a soil? Is that like saying UCG, vinegar or pine needles will acidify a soil?

[Marcos]

Originally Posted by Smallaxe

Now we're saying that fermentated corn will acidify a soil? Is that like saying UCG, vinegar or pine needles will acidify a soil?

For many newer clients who've had repeat applications of DG & especially whose lawns aren't yet developed enough to crowd out invaders, very recently we've begun to take notice of a common denominator of DG dandelion suppression in terms of an overall lack-of-vigor, compared to neighboring turf containing untreated Taraxacum officinale.

Hat's off to Elfner, our neighbor to the northeast, for turning us onto DG a while back.

The relative pH of distillers grains.... in a related article discussing DG weed suppression / control of annual weeds in nursery containers :
http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/dspace/bitst...ND44013939.pdf