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Old 05-05-2011, 10:44 PM
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Just a question, how in the hell can someone make it trying to hire 4-5 employees running equipment for $55 a hour (two machines at once for $55 a hour)?

A job im on right now the guy told me today that before I started this job that a competitor of mine came in trying to get the job with two machines at $55 a hour.


I mean seriously, how do they even stay afloat with 4 guys working with him and fuel so high?..
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Old 05-05-2011, 11:00 PM
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The easy answer is that they aren't trying to stay afloat for the long term. Sometimes they just need cashflow to keep the lights on until there is good paying work. And, sometimes, they don't realize that they're bleeding to death financially at that rate until the bank takes their machines.
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:27 AM
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Robbing Peter to pay Paul, it is a viscious cycle and as long as you stay away from doing that and they don't, then they will either go belly up or become a non-factor as your competition because typically the and service becomes very bad when when doing work for cashflow.

Your goal should be to give the very best price you can for a quality job and you will be the last man standing.
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Old 05-06-2011, 03:01 PM
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Sometimes they know the numbers real well and run a lean operation! Everyones numbers are different.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:49 PM
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It starts with siphoning the competitor's diesel tanks when they aren't looking.
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Old 05-06-2011, 08:52 PM
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Sometimes they know the numbers real well and run a lean operation! Everyones numbers are different.

This is one of those guys that do it.....idiots
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Old 05-06-2011, 09:27 PM
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Sometimes they know the numbers real well and run a lean operation! Everyones numbers are different.
And when their equipment breaks down, they don't have the money to fix it.
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:10 PM
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Being lean, knowing numbers heck I think I am lean and know numbers. But its a joke what some work is going for in my area as well. I a better off at shop/home with family and letting machine's sit than spin my wheels for nothing.

I ask one guy yesterday how the H he is doing it - he told all he is doing now is bidding to keep the lights on in the shop.

I figure, if that machine is sitting - therefore not taking fuel, not putting 20-50 hours on a week - that machine should last that much longer for me in the long run.
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:14 PM
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I got no hate for a guy trying to survive. Lets be honest clients don't have the money. I'm working for numbers I would have laughed at years ago just trying to survive another week or month.
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:26 PM
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I got no hate for a guy trying to survive. Lets be honest clients don't have the money. I'm working for numbers I would have laughed at years ago just trying to survive another week or month.
I think my pricing is fair at $65 a hour for the excavator, skid steer and $85/hour for a JD 120D. Not bad, is it?
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