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Old 06-03-2011, 08:38 PM
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I'm anxious to see a press release about the issue.
Me too. I bet the local Wilmington DE paper has a big expose on it. DuPont can't fart around here without it making the news. They had a huge series of articles back when the Benlate problem was going on.
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Old 06-03-2011, 08:58 PM
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Lawn treated 04/25/2011
Experieced licensed operator with 15 years on job.
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No wind however we had 5 inches of rain over two week period after treatment.
We have treated cover 500 lawns. so we are on the lookout for more damage.
Nothing found yet and no phone calls.
Gary, just curious, are those weeds growing in the spruce? in those pics that you think have chemical damage from root uptake...how is it the you have a 2 foot weed (last pic) in the middle of it with no damage?

something does not seem right here...
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:02 PM
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Holy Cow. No wonder I chose to let others try Imprellis before we bought it. The trees in the pics look like "sick puppies". Drooping branches is not a good sign whatsoever, cuz this usually means the entire plant (tree) is affected. A few brown needles are normal and expected (lower branches & maybe on the north side), but not at the top of the tree.

BTW, all trees in the pine family have a whirl vascular system, so damaging the branches on one side of the tree does not coincide with the root system on the same side. Same with soils - all trees in the pine family (firs, spruces, pines) prefer a well-drained soil -- this could be a contributing factor. They also prefer full sun, which the trees in the pics have >> Nuther reason why I suspect "Imprellis at work".

The "drip line" label is totally idiotic IMO >> Most established trees (conifer & deciduous) have most of their "feeder roots" (active roots) outside & well beyond the "drip line". Law suites coming down the pike? I'd bet money on it if the above pics & poster's information are accurate. Even the new candles/needles were affected -- this pretty much closes the deal. BTW, nice pics.

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Old 06-03-2011, 09:28 PM
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Holy Cow. No wonder I chose to let others try Imprellis before we bought it. The trees in the pics look like "sick puppies". Drooping branches is not a good sign whatsoever, cuz this usually means the entire plant (tree) is affected. A few brown needles are normal and expected (lower branches & maybe on the north side), but not at the top of the tree.

BTW, all trees in the pine family have a whirl vascular system, so damaging the branches on one side of the tree does not coincide with the root system on the same side. Same with soils - all trees in the pine family (firs, spruces, pines) prefer a well-drained soil -- this could be a contributing factor. They also prefer full sun, which the trees in the pics have >> Nuther reason why I suspect "Imprellis at work".

The "drip line" label is totally idiotic IMO >> Most established trees (conifer & deciduous) have most of their "feeder roots" (active roots) outside & well beyond the "drip line". Law suites coming down the pike? I'd bet money on it if the above pics & poster's information are accurate. Even the new candles/needles were affected -- this pretty much closes the deal. BTW, nice pics.

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Larry,

You are absolutely correct about feeder roots extending far beyond the drip line with mature trees.

I'm still waiting to hear back from Rutgers as to what they know.
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:47 PM
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Gary, just curious, are those weeds growing in the spruce? in those pics that you think have chemical damage from root uptake...how is it the you have a 2 foot weed (last pic) in the middle of it with no damage?

something does not seem right here...
Turf Hokie,
That weed is "Poke" about 4 ft. tall.
Birds drop it into the beds from seed. Manual removal only remedy.
I would site it's lack of visual damage as proof drift is not a issue.
Good observation.
Garydale

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Guys,
I appreciate your observations but, all I wanted to do was give you a heads up on possible problem.
Do I try to address all the various comments or just consider the source and move on.
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:52 PM
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Me too. I bet the local Wilmington DE paper has a big expose on it. DuPont can't fart around here without it making the news. They had a huge series of articles back when the Benlate problem was going on.
According to the DuPont rep I spoke to, the were trying to have some info by today, but they were still consulting with different universities and other specialists and he thought we should see info by the first of next week.
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Old 06-03-2011, 10:45 PM
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Just got off a property today, customer was curious as to why his 6' norways were croaking. I thought possible frost damage due to the fact it was near the tops and a few odd flagged branches- looked like typical herbicide curling but was at top of plant so thought i was safe. I knew better than to use the magic bullet, but its rainfastness has made it possible to get through the wettest spring in ohio history. Looks like we'll be going back to old science tomorrow! Hope Dupont has their checkbook ready, With 5 gallons of product out this could get costly quick.
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Old 06-03-2011, 10:53 PM
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if this is a true outcome from imprellis, this is going to suck for you guys with all this damage showing up.
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Old 06-04-2011, 04:50 AM
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My Agrium rep e-mailed DuPont and their response to him that spraying under evergreens with no turf will cause damage.
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:13 AM
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Holy Cow. No wonder I chose to let others try Imprellis before we bought it. The trees in the pics look like "sick puppies". Drooping branches is not a good sign whatsoever, cuz this usually means the entire plant (tree) is affected.
It's a weeping Norway spruce. Branches are going to droop on a healthy tree. Not saying it's a healthy tree but the drooping isn't necessarily related to the herbicide damage.
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