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Old 06-15-2011, 10:48 PM
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Yes, two of them were in my area. The other in Austin.

Using video throughout my site would not be effective marketing-wise as well as for getting my page ranked higher.
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Old 06-19-2011, 03:11 AM
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Yes, two of them were in my area. The other in Austin.

Using video throughout my site would not be effective marketing-wise as well as for getting my page ranked higher.
I guess to each his own, from experience video is AWESOME for marketing, and search engine rankings. I use it for my products and websites with sweet results, and while my videos are typically better than this, here's an example.

search google for: Alabama Concrete Cleaning
First Page, #1 Spot = Video, just saying..
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Old 06-22-2011, 12:02 AM
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Yep

You know that they need a lot more than just copying a website.

I am over 100 plus customers since strolling onto this site in March and it take a lot more that just a page to make it happen.

Don't worry their SEO is not there. I am sure of that. AND BTW You know by me and my friends. Nice has no place in business.

If they harm you crush them.



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I've had about five instances since March of other LCOs copying content on my website word for word.

One person copied my whole website word for word. I contacted them, they said a friend did it for them, it was removed.

At this point, I currently have three websites, two of them in my area who have copied whole pages and/or portions of my website. We're talking copy/paste.


I have already emailed and called all three of them and asked them, politely, to remove it.

One of them I asked about a month ago. The guy never answers his phone, nor does he return phone calls and doesn't seem like he wants to cooperate.

I worked a good amount of hours to make my website unique. I am hitting in top spots for houston lawn service keywords and I don't appreciate people copying my hard work.

What would you do?
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Old 06-22-2011, 12:05 AM
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Great Post

Great Post Steve, I had to use that Way back machine one time before when I was editing an site and messed it all up. The Way back machine allowed me to get the code I needed form the old page and it saved my butt.



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You have every right to pursue these miscreants, but it's more dificult to prove stolen text than stolen images. Your first step should be to document when you entered the text into your website. There's a neat way to do this.

Go to wayback machine. Enter your own web page URL and you'll see a calendar that could go back several years. Click on the year and date close to the time you created the text. When you find the text you're looking for, take a screen shot and copy the URL of the wayback page. You can use this URL and image in your email complaints as proof of your claim.

Repeat the above process with your miscreants pages - best to show that their pages didn't exist (or were edited) until after the time you published your text.

What you've done up to this point is good but you need to go farther. I always send a nice email first (if the business is reputable). I give them 2 weeks to remove the copied text or images. If the business is a bogus website (content farm) then my first note is very severe and I threaten action immediately. (Action that may result in loss of their hosting plan, domain name, ad revenue, and criminal punishment.)

If the person doesn't comply within your deadline, then don't bother to contact them again (it's a waste of your time). Find out who their domain and hosting providers are. Go to WHOIS to do that.

All hosting and domain providers take copyright infringement very seriously. When you sign up for a hosting plan or domain name, you agree to a contract that warns you that if you engage in copyright infringement, your hosting plan will be cancelled and you may lose your domain name.

You'll have to go to the host and domain company's websites and find out how they want you to report the copyright infringement. Some require certain types of proof and require you to fill out forms.

Then you wait. It's pretty likely that the hosting and domain companies will follow through and force compliance but it might take a few months.

Of course, at any time you can hire a lawyer but that's probably not worth it.

Good luck!
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Old 07-17-2011, 02:55 AM
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I hate to be the devils advocate:

Follow this hypothetical. Bob creates a wonderful site that draws lots of traffic. Bob's competitor sees the effect of the site. Competitor does little more than copy and past Bob's site, but does change a word here and there but nothing noticeable. Competitor gets traffic and customers back. Bob's son sees the offending site and tells his dad. Bob sends off an email to competitor asking nicely that he remove the content. A month or so later Bob sends a cease and desist letter. Nothing happens. Bob sends a letter to the ISP and host which he learns is owned offshore but he hopes for the best. More months pass and Bob hires Joe blow lawyer who practices general litigation to fire off a letter that assures that litigation will be forthcoming. Competitor receives letter and grins. Now one year later Bob has become consumed by this injustice and tells his lawyer to do what it takes to stop the infringement. Bob serves Competitor with suit he has filed and Bob is feeling strong and ready. Competitor is still grinning. Bob gets served with a motion to dismiss and counterclaim. Bob reads the "sh**" as he calls it that says he has no right to sue as he has failed to register his copyright prior to seeking to have Competitor cease using the content, that Bob never possessed or registered a copyright on the content and that further Competitor believes that Bob infringed upon the copyright of other sites which were registered prior to Bob creating his site. Lastly Competitor states in his counterclaim that it was he(competitor) that registered the content and that Bob is infringing on Competitor's rights and seeks actual and punitive damages along with attorneys fees and costs. Bob goes to see his lawyer and sadly discovers that he paid a local friend who had never done copyright work to fix this for him, but Competitor hired lawyer who specializes in copyright work and has lots of contacts. Bob notices that other sites are now suing him for infringement. Bob looks to spend a half million on this stuff and has not netted more than $70,000.00 in any given year he has been in business.

Most literature I could find on this subject states that, in the United States, you have to first register your work before you can sue for it. Second, you can only get statutory damages for infringements that took place either after the registration or after publication if the work was registered within three months.(Bob never registered) Without statutory damages, most copyright infringement lawsuits are a waste of resources. Never assume that a letter will be worth a hill of beans. There is a reason copyright lawyers charge large hourly rates that general folks cannot afford. This may not be likely, but a little overconfidence could lead to this road. Just MHO for what little it is worth.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:30 PM
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Yup.. I "lol" when people want to put "copyright 20XX all rights reserved" on the bottom of their website.
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Old 07-27-2011, 12:18 AM
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I really don't care if they copy my web site so long they get my phone number and name of my business right.

But it gets even better...
You can legally copyright a Web site, except by it's very definition it wouldn't work.
Take a book for example, once a book is copyrighted it generally never changes, it is published and that's how it goes out.
Twenty years later, that book is still the exact same thing it was 20 years ago, letter for letter.

A Web site, however, is dynamic in nature and can change anytime you want it to and likely also will in time, as the Web
develops and new language and server upgrades and things become available some webmasters will see to making use of these
new things to their, and their customer's benefit by updating their Web site.
Did you know some Web sites are updated every single day?
How would a copyright account for this, if you want to make changes you'd have to re-apply for a copyright every time you
make a change or every time the site changes, I find it amazing the copyrights office doesn't see a problem with this.

Ultimately my suggestion thus is build a Web site so good that it takes more than someone with two weeks experience to copy it.

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Old 07-28-2011, 11:28 PM
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Copyrights for things created on the internet, such as websites fall under different rules than copyrights of books.

Website content, when created by the owner of the website, is considered copyrighted upon creation.

Does this mean I can and should turn around and sue for damages right away? No. There are procedures that have to be taken to prove that you created the content before the copyright violator.

Would it make sense to sue someone in a situation like this? No. I want my content removed from their website. I created it for my business. Not so some scumbag can come along and finish portions of their website with a simple copy and paste.

Long story short, all of the offending sites have removed the content. And no, you don't need to file a copyright for a website for it to be copyrighted. The "Copyright www.mywebsite.com 2011" actually means something although people would rarely do anything or have reason to do anything about it.
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Old 07-28-2011, 11:36 PM
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I had this same problem.

In most cases you can contact the web host where the offending web page is located (vistaprint for example) and fill out their form and they'll shut it down.
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Old 07-28-2011, 11:52 PM
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I had this same problem.

In most cases you can contact the web host where the offending web page is located (vistaprint for example) and fill out their form and they'll shut it down.
Correct. However, as I said they ask for proof that you created the material before the offender. They are not required to immediately shut down the offender but they will usually warn them to remove content, then shut stuff down after repeat offenses.

I believe they are required to do this under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.
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