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Old 09-02-2011, 07:08 PM
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Kleenex and Prills have the same poblem... each gets blamed for the problems of it imitators...

to me 'prill' has come to mean 'time release'... whereas granules will just dissolve as moisture presents itself...

is that a basically acceptable definition?
Sorry That is not an acceptable Definition. Read My Post about how Prill is made.

Read the Link I have to Wikipedia. There in no way they talk about Slow release. What they talk about is How Prill is made and what it is.

""A prill is a small aggregate of a material,"" HELLO WHAT IN A GRANULE??? other than a small aggregate of material. All Prill is a Granule but all Granules are not made by a Prill tower.

BTW Did your Girl Friend give you that screen name?? I guess we all can't be Porn stars.
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:18 PM
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I'll bite. Because the plant still needs energy to survive and the shorter day light periods and or covered in snow stored carbohydrates are the only energy source it will have to survive
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I will second that answer. How does Roundup work other than to stop Carbohydrate production. When the Energy supplied by the Carbohydrate runs out the plant can no longer grow and dies. That is pretty much the story across the board. Seed have Storied carbohydrates for energy and must form Leaves to produce their own energy before the stored energy run out. Therefore Plant must store energy in the form of Sugars called Carbohydrates in order to start Growing in the spring. Of course once they start metabolising the sun's energy they replace the Carbohydrates used to over winter.
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:30 PM
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Scotts fert bag: { 29-0-6 > 4.45% of urea is "coated for slow release". }

I was surprised to see a bag of Scotts that actually told the homeowner how much slow release was in it. The homeowner opened up the bag today so we could actually see the granules. Most were white, a few grey, a few yellow (SCU). This guy said he paid nearly $50 for this 30 pound bag.

While not saying anything bad abiout what he bought, I showed him a bag of our 30-0-5 50% XCU slow release (Agrium).

Anyway, he plans to apply what he bought and then have us start treating his lawn in late fall. Referred by his next door neighbor.
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I am surprised you even look at that crap Scott pushes on the unwashed masses. IMHO only the uneducated homeowner would fall for it and at the price they charge is Hwy Robbery.

Every University study I have ever seen recommends a 2 to 1 Ratio of Nitrogen to Potassium. Some even say 1 to 1 and summer mixes are recommended at 1 to 3 in some cases. Scott's is selling 6 to 1 and 5 to 1 blends at super high prices. Every Scott's bag I read uses Urea as the Nitrogen source and Urea is the Cheapest form of Nitrogen you can buy.
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:43 AM
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Sorry That is not an acceptable Definition. Read My Post about how Prill is made.

Read the Link I have to Wikipedia. There in no way they talk about Slow release. What they talk about is How Prill is made and what it is.

""A prill is a small aggregate of a material,"" HELLO WHAT IN A GRANULE??? other than a small aggregate of material. All Prill is a Granule but all Granules are not made by a Prill tower.

BTW Did your Girl Friend give you that screen name?? I guess we all can't be Porn stars.
I was referring to what it came to mean for me as opposed to 'time release capsule' in common vernacular... no need to be uncool about it...

my screen name came from Bob Marley. BTW... and again, you trying to be a jerk??? sorry I'm not offended, by the handicap having a bad day...
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Now that I know that clay's texture(platelets) has nothing to do with water infiltration, percolation, or drainage
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:50 AM
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... For 10 bonus points, who can tell us why carbohydrate storage is important for winter hardiness?
Supplying moisture and energy during hibernation and growing roots, stems and leaves in the Spring...

For 25 bonus points, who can tell why this botanical process is short circuitted by Early Spring Fertilizer Apps??? ...
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Old 09-04-2011, 05:22 PM
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Supplying moisture and energy during hibernation and growing roots, stems and leaves in the Spring...

For 25 bonus points, who can tell why this botanical process is short circuitted by Early Spring Fertilizer Apps??? ...
This is another sacred cow, taboo subject...???
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Old 09-04-2011, 06:05 PM
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This is another sacred cow, taboo subject...???
Think the thread has run it's course. No taboo or cows
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Old 09-05-2011, 03:19 AM
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Larry

I am surprised you even look at that crap Scott pushes on the unwashed masses. IMHO only the uneducated homeowner would fall for it and at the price they charge is Hwy Robbery.

Every University study I have ever seen recommends a 2 to 1 Ratio of Nitrogen to Potassium. Some even say 1 to 1 and summer mixes are recommended at 1 to 3 in some cases. Scott's is selling 6 to 1 and 5 to 1 blends at super high prices. Every Scott's bag I read uses Urea as the Nitrogen source and Urea is the Cheapest form of Nitrogen you can buy.
The next least favorite question for someone to ask me is what fertilizer to use when I know quite well the person asking me does not have the ability to purchase and apply what I do. Everything these people can buy is exactly what the turf does not need. More urea, about 1% potassium in the form of potassium chloride and non chelated micronutrients. The first question on my do not ask list is if I am hiring.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:36 AM
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The next least favorite question for someone to ask me is what fertilizer to use when I know quite well the person asking me does not have the ability to purchase and apply what I do. Everything these people can buy is exactly what the turf does not need. More urea, about 1% potassium in the form of potassium chloride and non chelated micronutrients. The first question on my do not ask list is if I am hiring.
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But the INK on the Bag says Scott.

My band wagon keeps saying they are Paying more for the Ink on the bag than the product in the bag. Every thing you listed are the Cheapest of the cheap and is exactly what is in those bags.

When are people going to learn Fertilizer is a COMMODITY and not a name brand. Of course that take education to understand what to buy and some of these guys have not learned a thing in the last 30 years. If the salesman didn't tell them what to buy, they wouldn't know.
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Old 09-05-2011, 03:14 PM
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You know, the separate components of a typical mix look expensive when you compare them to a bag of granules. The shocker is when they are tank mixed then applied, the cost comes out to 1/4 of what an equivalent granule would. High potassium microgranule fertilizers are not $15 a bag, try more like $60 a bag and at 4-5 bags per acre.......
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