New Compact Tractor Advice

[Ducati996]

Originally Posted by Ridin' Green

I don't appreciate the dope smoking analogy, or implying tha I wear "green colored glasses" that blind me to the truth. I know my tractors. It's my passion, and the fact is that Deere will come out with features that Case/ New Holland and Kubota try to better, and it usually takes about 3-4 years to do, but about a year later Deere does it again. It's been this way for a long time now. I look at new machines every year from all of them.

SSC isn't asking about a dedicated TLB either kackass. he's asking about compact ut's. maybe you need to read more and type less.

Until fairly recently, Kubota used ry clutches in all oftheir tractors-even their flagship grand L series. That's a pretty big minus IMO. Deere has been using wet clutches for their drive system for well over a decade.

You brought up the commercial rentals (i.e) commercial rentals are now stocked with Kubota, not Deere these days...utility companies have them as well....B21 being one of the most popular in that area of under 10k class machines for 10 years, now its the B26

You just making crap up on your facts...you look at new tractors, I like to own them and use them.....Kubota has stronger hydraulic lifting (FEL & 3 pt)ability on most of their compact line over Deere....so much for 3 to 4 years catching up, they surpassed Deere in that area for 7 + years now....

Im glad your passionate about tractors, you certainly need to dress up on real facts, rather than arm chair internet postering....

[Ducati996]

Originally Posted by Ridin' Green

Get the Deere. Kubota makes nice stuff, and they are wll known for being tough, but, most of the time, a JD will have features that the Kubota won't have for another 3-4 years down the road on same year machines. One thing that comes to mind is the side by side hydro pedals on the Deere instead of the stupid treddle peddle, and also many machines with hydros have the turning brakes on the same side as the hydro pedals which makes them totally useless unless you have two right feet. JD tractors normally have as high, or higher lift capacities for their 3 pt hitches as anyone on the market. Some compacts are now coming with lift capacities that beat some of Deere's machines, but it's for show only, because none of them can run any of the implements that require more lift capcity than what comes std on a Deere anyways. Either it will be too heavy for the size of the machine, or too much for the pto power being turned out by it. Deere does their homework when it comes to utility tractors on up in size.

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You contradict yourself throughout the entire paragraph.....its really simple, if they have higher lift abilities, then they have higher lift...PERIOD...dont try and make an excuse for it....what it means its more productive, and can and will handle a heavier load...PERIOD....besides higher FEL abilities, they also have higher reach.....I have owned all of deeres 4x10 series, and 2x20 series and Kubotas lift and reach has always been more....move it up on the lines and Deeres 3000 series falls behind compared to Kubotas -

Kubota has been kicking Deere's ass on lift ability for a very long time....your just making excuses with irrational statements...

[DK35vince]

Originally Posted by Ridin' Green

Until fairly recently, Kubota used ry clutches in all oftheir tractors-even their flagship grand L series. That's a pretty big minus IMO. Deere has been using wet clutches for their drive system for well over a decade.

So has Kubota.
I'm sure Kubota has been offering the Glideshift transmission option (with wet clutch) since at least the mid to late 1990's.

[Ridin' Green]

Originally Posted by DK35vince

So has Kubota.
I'm sure Kubota has been offering the Glideshift transmission option (with wet clutch) since at least the mid to late 1990's.

Not according to their literature I have right here.

As for making up facts, both of you need to hone up on them.

What I said about Deere having as high or higher lift capacity than anyone else is fact. They had the highest 3 pt lift capacity for a very long time until only a couple years ago, and that again is looking directly at their literature as well as Kubota's and Case/New Holland, up until the 4 thousand 20 Deere series came out and Kubota and several others redsigned their to match or provide more. The lift capacity that Deere had well before any of its competition was the most the was practical and usable for tractors in that weight class, which is why I said that, while some may be more now, they are for show. If more was a necessity and practical/usable do you seriously think that Deere would let their competition stay ahead of them.

Also, another point- I didn't bring up rental equipment, lawn king did. Fact is, at least anywhere around where I live, neither Kubota nor Deere are used by any rental yards. Instead they go with Terex, or JCB which are both far heavier duty than anything from either Kubota or Deere for that purpose.

You guys seem to be getting all butt hurt about this, and start the name calling crap, but the fact is, I never said that Kubota or Case/new Holland are bad machines. They are all pretty nice, but Deere is is usually first with the the inovations. The Pow'r Reverser trans which uses muti pac wet clutches, and requires no clutching to go from forwards to reverse was out well before anything similar from their competion. The twin side by side hydro pedals was out Deere machines well ahead of them being used by their competition. The list goes on. Their competition comes out after a few years with something more, and about a year or so later deere ups the ante again, and that is fact.

The FEL lift capacity for Deere's loader was until very recently well ahead of their competion as well. If you are gonna start spouting off about things at least know what you ar talking about and make sure you are comparing lift capacities at the same point on the FEL, because in looking at the different brochures for al of them, many of Deere's competitors use the pivot pin for capacity while Deere usually show lift cap for the front edge of the bucket. Same goes for the 3 pt, Deere uses 24' behind the pins, while many of their competitors use the lift endss themselves. Not the same thing.

Finally, I do use these machines and have for a long time, and have plenty of hands on experience. When I buy a new machine, I can buy whatever I want, and I go lok at them all to see what's new, and I have always ended up buying a Deere for all of the above reasons.

I'm guessing you both drive orange and that's fine by me, since Kubota makes some good stuff, but at least get your facts straight before you come on here and feel the need to try to defend your choice.

[Ducati996]

Originally Posted by Ridin' Green

Not according to their literature I have right here.

As for making up facts, both of you need to hone up on them.

What I said about Deere having as high or higher lift capacity than anyone else is fact. They had the highest 3 pt lift capacity for a very long time until only a couple years ago, and that again is looking directly at their literature as well as Kubota's and Case/New Holland, up until the 4 thousand 20 Deere series came out and Kubota and several others redsigned their to match or provide more. The lift capacity that Deere had well before any of its competition was the most the was practical and usable for tractors in that weight class, which is why I said that, while some may be more now, they are for show. If more was a necessity and practical/usable do you seriously think that Deere would let their competition stay ahead of them.

Also, another point- I didn't bring up rental equipment, lawn king did. Fact is, at least anywhere around where I live, neither Kubota nor Deere are used by any rental yards. Instead they go with Terex, or JCB which are both far heavier duty than anything from either Kubota or Deere for that purpose.

You guys seem to be getting all butt hurt about this, and start the name calling crap, but the fact is, I never said that Kubota or Case/new Holland are bad machines. They are all pretty nice, but Deere is is usually first with the the inovations. The Pow'r Reverser trans which uses muti pac wet clutches, and requires no clutching to go from forwards to reverse was out well before anything similar from their competion. The twin side by side hydro pedals was out Deere machines well ahead of them being used by their competition. The list goes on. Their competition comes out after a few years with something more, and about a year or so later deere ups the ante again, and that is fact.

The FEL lift capacity for Deere's loader was until very recently well ahead of their competion as well. If you are gonna start spouting off about things at least know what you ar talking about and make sure you are comparing lift capacities at the same point on the FEL, because in looking at the different brochures for al of them, many of Deere's competitors use the pivot pin for capacity while Deere usually show lift cap for the front edge of the bucket. Same goes for the 3 pt, Deere uses 24' behind the pins, while many of their competitors use the lift endss themselves. Not the same thing.

Finally, I do use these machines and have for a long time, and have plenty of hands on experience. When I buy a new machine, I can buy whatever I want, and I go lok at them all to see what's new, and I have always ended up buying a Deere for all of the above reasons.

I'm guessing you both drive orange and that's fine by me, since Kubota makes some good stuff, but at least get your facts straight before you come on here and feel the need to try to defend your choice.

I drive and own both...Kubotas ratings are both Pivot pin and front edge of bucket.....they are all significantly higher than Deeres.....you really need to look at the literature with non green colored glasses again..... Deeres 2x20 series and 3000 series fall behind in lifting ability (FEL & 3pt and breakout)....its been this way for 7 years or more now.....

If Deere is so advanced why dont they offer a 3 speed hydro in the 2x20 series (which was originally the 4x10 series back in 1998 (built by Yanmar).....so much for cutting edge offerings.....all of Kubotas are 3 speed....I guess you missed that MAJOR feature

Your too easy of a target, to bother with this anymore.....

[DK35vince]

On the Kubota website under Products-prior products- L series tractors they show tractor models with wet clutchs as far back as the late 1980's early 90's. (tractors with GST or a -W were wet clutch)

I do not own a Kubota tractor. But I do not like to see any brand being knocked with misinformation.

[alanauer]

If what you disliked about the appearance of the rear end (usually makes me think of something else) is a too-narrow track, some rears can be reversed to widen it.

The Kioti line offers more features for less money. That might be my next tractor so I've been following owner experiences. Seems that most work as well as the others you're looking at, but the odd one gets problems not easily diagnosed and fixed. So make sure the contract with the dealer protects you, like a loaner if they can't fix with a service call or need it in the shop for a week.

[Darryl G]

I would go hydro, especially if you're going to put a FEL on it. That way you can have one hand on the loader control and one on the steering wheel. It's also nice for tight manuvering and inching up to your truck/trailer to load.

I have a 1998 JD 855 with FEL, hoe, "York" rake and brush mower. I would recommend getting at least 30HP if you want a full choice of rear implements. My 24HP only has around 20HP at the rear PTO which is a bit light for some implements such as a wood chipper or post hole digger.

[SouthSide Cutter]

Originally Posted by alanauer

If what you disliked about the appearance of the rear end (usually makes me think of something else) is a too-narrow track, some rears can be reversed to widen it.

The Kioti line offers more features for less money. That might be my next tractor so I've been following owner experiences. Seems that most work as well as the others you're looking at, but the odd one gets problems not easily diagnosed and fixed. So make sure the contract with the dealer protects you, like a loaner if they can't fix with a service call or need it in the shop for a week.

If you look at the rear ends from the back. Some have the housing almost to the wheel with a very short axle. And some have a short rear end with a very long axle. They both have the same track width. And on the 2000 JD series the rear end has the funky drop down, not to strong a looking design.
Just want something to till garden, move some rock and dirt and maybe do some bush hogging. L3200 Kubota and the 3032 Deere and older 4310 is what I have in mind that size.

[Ridin' Green]

Originally Posted by Ducati996

I drive and own both...Kubotas ratings are both Pivot pin and front edge of bucket.....they are all significantly higher than Deeres.....you really need to look at the literature with non green colored glasses again..... Deeres 2x20 series and 3000 series fall behind in lifting ability (FEL & 3pt and breakout)....its been this way for 7 years or more now.....

If Deere is so advanced why dont they offer a 3 speed hydro in the 2x20 series (which was originally the 4x10 series back in 1998 (built by Yanmar).....so much for cutting edge offerings.....all of Kubotas are 3 speed....I guess you missed that MAJOR feature

Your too easy of a target, to bother with this anymore.....

Well, since you want to point out specs, and specifiaclly pointed to the 2K20 series Deere, here is a link to two almost identical machines as far as Hp and class goes

the B2620 specs-
http://www.kubota.com/product/B2320/...eries_spec.pdf


and the Deere 2520 specs-

http://www.deere.com/wps/dcom/en_US/..._Tractor.page?

The 2520 weighs significantly more than the B2620 even though the Kubota has a steel hood and fender pan, and has a higher lift capacity at 24" behind the lift links on the 3pt.

The Deere also has a wet drive clutch vs the dry clutch on the B2620 (though their new website doesn't show that yet. It's in their sales brochures, and grounds care catalogs though, as well as the operator's manual).



As for the 3 range transmission, it's nice to have, and I have had both 2 & 3 range tranny's, but for what the smaller machines are capable of pulling, 2 is plenty of choice. On the larger 3k20 and up, they are all 3 range as well, and always have been.

You can't compare the Grand L 5x4x series to the 4K20 series Deere. Different weight class. You'd have to compare them to the 5000 series Deere tractors feature for feature, like cat 2 3pts etc.

Comparing the L4740 (same weight class/frame size) to the Deere 4720 is a fair cmparison.
L4740 specs-
http://www.kubota.com/product/L40/pdf/gl40_spec.pdf

It has a dry clutch for the drive system as I said before.
It has 260 lbs more lift capacity on the 3pt true, but as I said before, and implement that requires more lift than what Deere chose 13 years ago at 2500 is too much weight for the rear of this weight class of tractor, and why Deere chose that weight back then.

Deere 4720 specs-
http://www.deere.com/wps/dcom/en_US/..._tractor.page?

The Deere has a much lower rated engine speed which translates into a longer life engine 2400 vs 2700 for the GL 4740

Like I said, get the facts all straight.

Also like I said, they are all good machines, but what Deere comes out with today, Kubota will come out with in a couple years and they usually try to beat Deere. Then the whole cycle starts all over again.

I'll take off the "green glasses", if you'll take off the ones that let you see whatever you want.