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Old 09-21-2011, 01:17 PM
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Comments requested.

Posted a thread on the Water Feature forum titled "Is the Water Feature industry putting us in a hole?"

I would love to hear comments from you guys.
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Old 09-21-2011, 02:13 PM
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Can you be more specific regarding your topic? What kind of hole are you referring to?
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Old 09-21-2011, 02:32 PM
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Below is Tadpole's discussion from the pond forum:



One of the pond associations' trade shows this year is being held in
conjunction with an irrigation association's trade show. On the surface this may not seem like anything that one would get concerned about. When the true reason behind this cooperative effort is revealed, it becomes (or should become) a matter of concern for all established Water Feature contractors. It seems that the manufacturers and distributors are using this as a means to recruit new installers from the irrigation trade. In this weakened and shaky economy, this may help protect the bottom line for manufacturers and distributors, it will certainly not help we veteran Water Feature contractors. The current market for Water Features is already weak and has all but disappeared in some demographic areas. Adding "new installers" just dilutes the market even more and could force some skilled craftsmen out of business. At a time that project quality should be improving, this move, if it has any modicum of success, will severely compromise the overall quality of Waterscape installations, especially aquatic habitats.

What are your thoughts on this industry trend?

P.S. No disrespect intended for our friends in the irrigation forum, but I think that they can see my point.
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Old 09-21-2011, 02:34 PM
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Can you be more specific regarding your topic? What kind of hole are you referring to?
Did you read the original thread on the Pond Forum?

Would you feel 'Peachy Keen' if the irrigation manufacturers and distributors started actively recruiting new Irrigation installers from, let's say, all of the Arborists in the country?
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Old 09-21-2011, 02:58 PM
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Is this like the artificial putting-green providers recruiting from the irrigation guys?
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Old 09-21-2011, 04:17 PM
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Did you read the original thread on the Pond Forum?

Would you feel 'Peachy Keen' if the irrigation manufacturers and distributors started actively recruiting new Irrigation installers from, let's say, all of the Arborists in the country?
No disrespect here... but most irrigation contractors around here would not touch an pond with a ten foot pole. I might sub it out if the home owner wanted a package deal, but I have to pay my guys way to much to get involved in a non-licensed trade.

I would never pull a irrigation crew to install a pond, and I think that goes for just about anyone that runs a high volume irrigation company.
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Old 09-21-2011, 04:34 PM
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No disrespect here... but most irrigation contractors around here would not touch an pond with a ten foot pole. I might sub it out if the home owner wanted a package deal, but I have to pay my guys way to much to get involved in a non-licensed trade.

I would never pull a irrigation crew to install a pond, and I think that goes for just about anyone that runs a high volume irrigation company.
No offense taken. I have long felt that the Water Feature business, especially Ponds (of any kind) should be regulated and standardized. Frankly I am surprised that it isn't. Its not like local or state governments to overlook a source of revenue.
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What is the average dollar cost of a water feature? Many locales have a dollar threshold, no matter what the project (not that it makes that big a difference)
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What is the average dollar cost of a water feature? Many locales have a dollar threshold, no matter what the project (not that it makes that big a difference)
I'm not sure that you could come up with an average cost for a Water Feature anymore than you could determine the average cost of an irrigation install; too many variables and options.

My original point is, given the present economy and the resulting scarcity of new Water Feature installs, attempting to add more "installers" can only hurt the true professional Water Feature craftsmen These are the same individuals that have built the Water Feature niche industry through time and innovation. Now some of the companies that have benefited from this labor are willing to handicap them even further than the economy has to maybe protect their bottom line. What happened to good old fashioned loyalty?
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I can see what you're getting at - I had someone inquire after an aerating fountain, and I decided they could shop online and beat the price I might get as a rank outsider to this niche.
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