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Old 12-08-2011, 11:36 PM
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I really don't see why someone has to work for someone else in order to get that license. If you have a degree and pass a test then the license should be given. Don't you still have to work for someone for at least a year Ric? Have you been to Brazil? I don't see how that is the closest standard of living compared to the US or we have came down a few notches without me noticing I guess...
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Are you one of those who wants everything handed to you on a Silver Platter. Pest Control is a skilled trade the same as a Plumber of Electrician. Skilled Trades have Apprenticeships.

Yes with a degree you still have to work with a CPO for a year. In my case I had more than 3 years before I had the degree. I qualified by time and not education, It was easier paper work. But I passed the test easy because I have the education. I would also like to think I do better work because of that same education.
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Old 12-09-2011, 04:08 PM
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Are you one of those who wants everything handed to you on a Silver Platter. Pest Control is a skilled trade the same as a Plumber of Electrician. Skilled Trades have Apprenticeships.

Yes with a degree you still have to work with a CPO for a year. In my case I had more than 3 years before I had the degree. I qualified by time and not education, It was easier paper work. But I passed the test easy because I have the education. I would also like to think I do better work because of that same education.
I did 8000 hours of grunt work before I became a lineman. I don't expect anything to be given out. I just don't think it's right to be forced to work for anyone if you can pass the same qualifications in the end. Make the test harder or whatever. I really have no intentions to do any treatment besides round-up on beds etc. which I already hold a limited license. It should be either or in my opinion. You could still do a fellowship while going to school or something equivalent. You can become just about any contractor in FL without having to work under someone for x amount of year so being you have a degree and pass w/e test.
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Old 12-09-2011, 04:19 PM
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I did 8000 hours of grunt work before I became a lineman. I don't expect anything to be given out. I just don't think it's right to be forced to work for anyone if you can pass the same qualifications in the end. Make the test harder or whatever. I really have no intentions to do any treatment besides round-up on beds etc. which I already hold a limited license. It should be either or in my opinion. You could still do a fellowship while going to school or something equivalent. You can become just about any contractor in FL without having to work under someone for x amount of year so being you have a degree and pass w/e test.
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:01 PM
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I did 8000 hours of grunt work before I became a lineman. I don't expect anything to be given out. I just don't think it's right to be forced to work for anyone if you can pass the same qualifications in the end. Make the test harder or whatever. I really have no intentions to do any treatment besides round-up on beds etc. which I already hold a limited license. It should be either or in my opinion. You could still do a fellowship while going to school or something equivalent. You can become just about any contractor in FL without having to work under someone for x amount of year so being you have a degree and pass w/e test.
I think your wrong on this. The DBPR website lists every contractor field requiring a license and even if the state doesn't require it many counties do. Hillsborough requires a 1000 hours to sit for the irrigation license. They run sting ops here all the time for unlicensed contractors.
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:10 PM
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You can be a GC CC EC etc with just college with a Bachelors related to the construction industry or engineering. You may have to hold a License in Engineering for x amount of years such as to obtain an Electrical Engineering license which is pretty hard.
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Mike I am sure they would love to be able to manufacture things made in the USA. Problem is our gov has become so huge and consumes so much money it needs to tax and cripple corporations with fees and permits etc. To feed it's appetite Which makes it almost impossible to make products here and be competitive or profitable. Add in union burdens and the EPA and forget about it. Oh and good luck finding people willing to work manufacturing jobs for small pay checks, they would rather let others pay their way then take a job and work their way up the ladder. They do market research all the time and if they thought they could get another two bucks a doll they would raise the price and keep manufacturing over seas. They know exactly what the sweet spot is when it comes to maximizing sales and pricing merchandise.
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Couple things on this. Has the public sector wages really gone up that much? Most are simply given a % raise each year which is above inflation from my understanding. I see opening for public jobs all the time and the salary does not seem to be that out of line. Hell when you consider inflation most people are most likely losing money most years with there increase if they even get one in the private sector, i know several people over the last two years which the companies froze all payroll increases or at least minamized them. Is it that the government is that bad - or is it that private companies are just not as willing to spend the money?

And in terms of them and the EPA - so they have to obey laws that are made to protect us. Some are extreme I am sure...but there purpose is to protect us. That is not a bad thing and when we are talking about being good corporate citizens - should they not want to have the goods produced in a manner which they know they are not in anyway effecting the environment.

In terms of working for a low wage in a manufacturing environment - we get them to work at the theme parks in the blistering FL son for it, the work on the grounds crews in local LCO organizations that take care of these resorts for less than min wage if you consider they are most likely missing EOW during the winter months if they are not laid off completely. In terms of Union activity it is a right to work state...so if they do not want to participate they do not have too as employees, so the only way they should want to vote a union in is if they feel they are being abused and the union gets the vote numbers.

In terms of Gov't regulation - again we are talking about being a good corporate citizen - so they should want to be on track ...and how much worse can it be that worry about a 60 minutes special on how the happiest place on earth is using child sweat shops to create good for them? Hell a lot of towns are giving away crazy incentives for factories to come in and create jobs and I am sure there are several around here in FL and would offer up crazy incentives to get Disney into town.

Don't know for sure but several hundred jobs directly for the manufacturing part and all the jobs that could come in a indirect fashion would be great.
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Old 12-11-2011, 12:03 AM
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I just got nauseous. Legislation is in the works to allow mega casinos. Just what we don't need. Now don't give me the construction and casino jobs will give way to tourism dollars crap. Nevada is right with us in foreclosure and unemployment.
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I was just telling one of my relatives about this tonight on the way home. Lots of push starting about allowing legalized gambling here in the Orlando market. I guess it would be the ultimate for some folks, mom and kids go to the parks, gma and gpa go to the casinos and we would be getting them on every angle
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Old 12-11-2011, 08:25 AM
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I shudder to think of the social impact Las Vegas type casinos will have on the Orlando area, if that's where they will be located.

Having been to Las Vegas (for an educational seminar and once with my wife for fun) I can tell you that the atmosphere outside of the gaming houses is debased. We were accosted on the streets by a continual cadre of pimps handing out lurid and graphic invitations for "escort services", my wife on my arm not withstanding (other couples with children in tow were similarly propositioned). This will create the antithesis of the environment Disney and Orlando is trying to foster.

The abject poverty and blight on the periphery of the "Strip" and "Glitter Gultch" was stunning. When a Las Vegas policeman found us wondering outside of the "green zone" he warned us that we were in grave danger of being robbed, assaulted or even killed for the meager possessions we had with us.

Prostitution goes arm in arm with that particular atmosphere as does drugs, loan sharking, alcoholism, etc. this activity leads to burglary, assault and battery and even worse; as if we don't have enough of a problem with these vices and crimes in Florida already.

Gaming in Florida is a desperate act by the legislature to produce revenue for the State. They tend to ignore the economic burden placed on the communities that host the casinos as well as the State itself since they must bear the burden of the expense of law enforcement, economic loss to citizens and the cost of incarceration.

Florida should review the lessons learned form the Atlantic City, Biloxi, etc. experiments and carefully consider not falling subject to the laws of unintended consequences.

Take the time to read through the following statistical report on Gaming community related crimes vs. Non-Gaming.

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Old 12-11-2011, 09:14 AM
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Sounds like you agree with big government. Manufacturers don't send jobs over seas for fun, it's certainly not a good pr move. It cost too much to manufacture products here. Wages are a small part but regulation is out of control. And yes gov wages have escalated far faster than private sector jobs and that is an indisputable fact. I just read an article about how many beat cops in ny made over 200k and a couple almost 300k. How about the fl superintendent who got the million dollar buy out and is now collecting unemployment? Bottom line is our gov is extremely wasteful and they need to fund it somehow.


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Couple things on this. Has the public sector wages really gone up that much? Most are simply given a % raise each year which is above inflation from my understanding. I see opening for public jobs all the time and the salary does not seem to be that out of line. Hell when you consider inflation most people are most likely losing money most years with there increase if they even get one in the private sector, i know several people over the last two years which the companies froze all payroll increases or at least minamized them. Is it that the government is that bad - or is it that private companies are just not as willing to spend the money?

And in terms of them and the EPA - so they have to obey laws that are made to protect us. Some are extreme I am sure...but there purpose is to protect us. That is not a bad thing and when we are talking about being good corporate citizens - should they not want to have the goods produced in a manner which they know they are not in anyway effecting the environment.

In terms of working for a low wage in a manufacturing environment - we get them to work at the theme parks in the blistering FL son for it, the work on the grounds crews in local LCO organizations that take care of these resorts for less than min wage if you consider they are most likely missing EOW during the winter months if they are not laid off completely. In terms of Union activity it is a right to work state...so if they do not want to participate they do not have too as employees, so the only way they should want to vote a union in is if they feel they are being abused and the union gets the vote numbers.

In terms of Gov't regulation - again we are talking about being a good corporate citizen - so they should want to be on track ...and how much worse can it be that worry about a 60 minutes special on how the happiest place on earth is using child sweat shops to create good for them? Hell a lot of towns are giving away crazy incentives for factories to come in and create jobs and I am sure there are several around here in FL and would offer up crazy incentives to get Disney into town.

Don't know for sure but several hundred jobs directly for the manufacturing part and all the jobs that could come in a indirect fashion would be great.
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:18 AM
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EPA isn't there to protect us mike it is just another tool to make laws geared towards social engineering.
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