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Old 06-18-2012, 09:13 AM
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Tree Nut, when my LCO did my visit, it only listed the pines with damage. I am losing so much more. The Dupont site visit wouldn't list the additional damage in April. Since then I'm losing even more. We are already in the 90's so I'm sure we'll see more.

I have alot of plants that I bought that are still in containers, no sense in planting them.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:19 AM
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I keep finding out more info about Imprelis and our LCO and HOW the claims were made. Communication is not working. My LCO says the resolution agreements will go to our HOA president, and that the accountant "picks up the mail'. I don't like being treated as part of a group here for many reasons, the main one being that WE sustained the most damage and we are the only ones paying much attention. The president had no damage, and the accountant is just the accountant. I'm in serious need of our own attorney, I believe.

Starbuy: I did some research this weekend, and found 3 'Imprelis' experts who are taking these cases: Plevin & Gallucci, LPA, Gillman Law, LLP, and Parker Waichman, LLP. Do any of these sound familiar or do you know anything about them? I think 2 of those are from OHIO.....
please use this email: eddy.678@hotmail.com and I'll give you some more information since you can't PM yet.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:32 AM
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Purdue updates Friday, June 15, 2012

http://purdueturftips.blogspot.com/2...is-update.html

http://www.ppdl.purdue.edu/PPDL/pubs...Update2012.pdf

including

What Should I Do if I Suspect Imprelis®
Injured Trees BUT I Didn’t Notice the Damage
in 2011?


In 2011, OISC investigated more than 400 complaints
in Indiana of injury to trees and ornamentals where
Imprelis® applications were made. A few new
investigations are ongoing in 2012 based on reports of
new symptoms. If you applied Imprelis® in 2011, did not
file a claim in 2011 with DuPont, and now see what you
suspect is Imprelis® damage, then contact OISC at (765)
494-1492. OISC will investigate these reports on a
case-by-case basis.
If you applied Imprelis® in 2011, filed a claim in 2011
with DuPont, and now see what you suspect is new
damage from Imprelis® on previously undocumented
trees, then contact DuPont at (866) 796-4783. Request a
site visit and the forms you’ll need to file an amendment
to your claim.


and

What Is Taking DuPont So Long?

Many people have been asking this question. Turf
professionals are getting pressure from their clients and,
in some cases, their insurance companies. Unfortunately,
we are not sure why the claims process is taking so long
for so many people other than the fact that many claims
were filed, each with several trees, and large amounts of
paperwork are required in this legal process. Although
some settlement offers have been made, most are still
waiting to hear back from DuPont. All we can do is
encourage you to contact DuPont and express your
concerns regarding the process.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:43 AM
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I'm not surprised DuPont is being slow to get offers out and to do the right thing and send out better counter offers that actually include language that gives a time limit on when a person should expect a check if the approve. The clock is ticking until the statute of limitations runs out eventually. Could depend on when damage was noticed or when the application took place, not sure. But, not surprised in the delays.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:58 AM
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Thanks Cindy for posting the Purdue Extension update on Imprelis.

Here's an interesting section that DuPont won't want those who are receiving their offers to hear because they still want to just pay for a little maintenance on some trees they think are recoverable.

Purdue Extension (accessed June 18, 2012)
Did Trees Recover from Imprelis® Injury?In the locations that Purdue and OISC specialists visited, most of the trees that were identified and confirmed as damaged by Imprelis® in 2011 declined in health throughout the 2011 growing season — and they are not recovering in 2012. Some trees exhibit symptoms exactly like they did the previous year. They appear frozen in time, and no new growth has occurred. Some trees show signs of new growth from axillary buds but not from terminal/apical buds. In many cases, despite some recovery, trees are too damaged, so removing them is still recommended.
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Old 06-18-2012, 10:05 AM
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Purdue updates Friday, June 15, 2012

http://purdueturftips.blogspot.com/2...is-update.html

http://www.ppdl.purdue.edu/PPDL/pubs...Update2012.pdf

including

What Should I Do if I Suspect Imprelis®
Injured Trees BUT I Didn’t Notice the Damage
in 2011?


In 2011, OISC investigated more than 400 complaints
in Indiana of injury to trees and ornamentals where
Imprelis® applications were made. A few new
investigations are ongoing in 2012 based on reports of
new symptoms. If you applied Imprelis® in 2011, did not
file a claim in 2011 with DuPont, and now see what you
suspect is Imprelis® damage, then contact OISC at (765)
494-1492. OISC will investigate these reports on a
case-by-case basis.
If you applied Imprelis® in 2011, filed a claim in 2011
with DuPont, and now see what you suspect is new
damage from Imprelis® on previously undocumented
trees, then contact DuPont at (866) 796-4783. Request a
site visit and the forms you’ll need to file an amendment
to your claim.


and

What Is Taking DuPont So Long?

Many people have been asking this question. Turf
professionals are getting pressure from their clients and,
in some cases, their insurance companies. Unfortunately,
we are not sure why the claims process is taking so long
for so many people other than the fact that many claims
were filed, each with several trees, and large amounts of
paperwork are required in this legal process. Although
some settlement offers have been made, most are still
waiting to hear back from DuPont. All we can do is
encourage you to contact DuPont and express your
concerns regarding the process.
Thanks for those links. That was a very interesting article. I think the best thing this forum offers is a chance to see that others are in the same boat and we are not alone in our suffering. I haven't seen the dupont offer yet, but was told by dupont that it should be here in the next week or two. Here is also a link to a new article posted by the newspaper in the Minneapolis area.

http://www.startribune.com/local/159...1&c=y#continue

We are also suppose to have a visit from Davey this week to talk about taking down the "hazardous" trees. They aren't hazardous by falling down on someone or something, but we have been scratched up a lot trying to mow the grass around these trees. Are there any opinions on whether we should be removing these at this time, or should we wait and preserve the evidence?

I have had little or no help from our LCO this year. I have asked them to re-rate the trees but they say we must wait for the dupont proposal first. I think I have about had it with this LCO and am ready to cut ties with them. I don't blame them for the problem caused by dupont, but I think a little more help in resolving all this would have been nice.
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Old 06-18-2012, 10:09 AM
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Another article

Hello,

New member here but I've been monitoring the thread; a lot of good information found in this thread.

Here is an article published today from my local paper (Minneapolis Star Tribune) that is a typical summary I think: http://www.startribune.com/local/159376255.html. The good news is that the media is becoming aware of the issue (little by little).

I'm in the same boat as a lot of you; private home owner waiting to get information from DuPont. My biggest question is my pines aren't totally dead but there was no growth this spring. A couple of spots that tried to bud but that was it. Is that a sign that they are dying for sure or will they come back next year? Just trying to decide if I need to replace my beautiful or just hold on...

Thanks,
Chuck
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Old 06-18-2012, 10:13 AM
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[QUOTE=bailter;4446093]Are there any opinions on whether we should be removing these at this time, or should we wait and preserve the evidence?
QUOTE]

I'm letting my dead trees remain all the way to either judgement or settlement since I have retained a law firm and want all evidence standing. But, if those trees are a danger to your body or home than that is something to consider. I did take samples of each one, documented everything, video taped and photographed everything in case a storm rips them up. I keep seeing new damage on other plants so I know it is still migrating.
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Old 06-18-2012, 10:16 AM
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Hello,

New member here but I've been monitoring the thread; a lot of good information found in this thread.

Here is an article published today from my local paper (Minneapolis Star Tribune) that is a typical summary I think: http://www.startribune.com/local/159376255.html. The good news is that the media is becoming aware of the issue (little by little).

I'm in the same boat as a lot of you; private home owner waiting to get information from DuPont. My biggest question is my pines aren't totally dead but there was no growth this spring. A couple of spots that tried to bud but that was it. Is that a sign that they are dying for sure or will they come back next year? Just trying to decide if I need to replace my beautiful or just hold on...

Thanks,
Chuck
I've met with 4 arborists and spoke to a scientist as well about similar damage at my place and they all confirmed that I probably won't see any actual recovery. They had not seen any repair occur since damage from Imprelis and they've visited many many sites over the course of a year. Sorry for the bad news.
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:03 AM
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Dead trees stand as proof that weed killer Imprelis went awry
Article by: MARY JANE SMETANKA , Star Tribune
Updated: June 18, 2012 - 5:52 AM

...Studies in Indiana show that Imprelis is degrading in the soil but is still present, Zuzek said. DuPont has recommended that the soil be replaced when dead trees are removed. Zuzek said property owners would be wise not to plant the same type of trees in those spots, and she suggests waiting until early fall or even next spring to replant.

"I would be very cautious, because we just don't know, and who wants to spend the money?" she said. -MARY JANE SMETANKA , Star Tribune http://www.startribune.com/local/159376255.html
That article just made me more upset.

Quote:
"For God's sake, it's been over a year," Hanson said. "We feel empathy for our clients that are sitting there looking at these things. And it's frustrating for a company that is used to getting things done."

DuPont spokeswoman Kate Childress said each claim must be reviewed and verified. "That takes time," she said.

Nationwide, current claims total $225 million and could reach $575 million, she said, adding that the final amount "is very uncertain."
Pretty sure that after a year they would have an idea of how many trees/claims they have. The ones you can't count yet are the ones that haven't been told that they were treated with Imprelis and word is getting out and more damage is presenting.

Quote:
"We had just been waiting and waiting and calling and finally I talked to someone who said if you e-mail them you get moved up in the queue," he said. "Ninety-eight percent of our customers have been wonderful. Every time DuPont sent something to us, we sent it on to them. That kept their temperatures down."
I must have been on the bottom of the list, I've been moved up a couple times supposedly when my prized koi died and the tree debris keeps falling in my pond with the wind storms dropping needles and pine cones in my pond. Have another mess to clean up. Also called when my kitty died and I didn't have a place to bury her because Imprelis killed my trees where my pets are buried. Totally distraught when the tree company described how the machines would shred and chop up their remains removing the trees and soil.

I am very much grateful to the Lawnsite board for allowing us to post and keep each other up to date.
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