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Old 03-02-2012, 10:16 PM
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Ric, making things they don't agree with more expensive is the key to their strategy. Rules for radicals 101. High gas prices = more appealing electric mouse cars. But the electricity that charges the mouse car probably comes from a coal fire power plant, is that less or more pollution than combustion engines? can't ban guns, but they tried to raise taxes on ammo to get the same effect.


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In order for a rule or law to be effective it must be accepted or embraced by the People. Case in point is the well disputed Obama Health Care That will surely be over turned if the Republicans win in Nov.

When to EPA change the label they did not take into account the public acceptance of that change. Most Local CPO's I have talked to know of no economical way to follow the 24 hr no rain rule.

Oh Sure I could kill Fire Ants with Arena @ $ 535.00 plus tax and 3 acres of coverage. That is over $ 4.00 per Thousand Sq Ft.


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Pyrethroids actually need to dry in order to be effective. Too much Watering in will actually wash it away or down the drain where the EPA doesn't want it. I apply pyrethroids at low rate but 5 gallon of carrier per thousand to have the most effective control and at the least collateral damage.



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Old 03-02-2012, 10:33 PM
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Ric, making things they don't agree with more expensive is the key to their strategy. Rules for radicals 101. High gas prices = more appealing electric mouse cars. But the electricity that charges the mouse car probably comes from a coal fire power plant, is that less or more pollution than combustion engines? can't ban guns, but they tried to raise taxes on ammo to get the same effect.
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Don't miss my point that a law must be accepted in order for people to COMPLY TO THAT LAW. IMHO at present time there is no way the big box pesticide company can comply with the 24 hr rule. Their tech are spraying everyday and still having trouble completing their routes.

I only work part time at best and I don't see a way of complying.


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Old 03-03-2012, 08:27 AM
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Don't miss my point that a law must be accepted in order for people to COMPLY TO THAT LAW. IMHO at present time there is no way the big box pesticide company can comply with the 24 hr rule. Their tech are spraying everyday and still having trouble completing their routes.

I only work part time at best and I don't see a way of complying.


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I think most of us can agree that the big box pesticide companies first objective is profit and they are not that interested in sound agronomic practices or environmental stewardship. Profit without ethics is one of the reasons for so many regulations.

To be clear, I am totally in favor of profits (don't throw the socialist word at me). I am not in favor of big government. I think that independent businesses are the back bone of America, but the the power of international corporations is overwhelming. I don't believe Americans want no government, they want good government.

Now, let's talk about lawn care.
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Old 03-03-2012, 01:37 PM
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I think most of us can agree that the big box pesticide companies first objective is profit and they are not that interested in sound agronomic practices or environmental stewardship. Profit without ethics is one of the reasons for so many regulations.

To be clear, I am totally in favor of profits (don't throw the socialist word at me). I am not in favor of big government. I think that independent businesses are the back bone of America, but the the power of international corporations is overwhelming. I don't believe Americans want no government, they want good government.

Now, let's talk about lawn care.
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I believe the only thing we have been talking about is Lawn Care. However liberal Tree Hugging Granola politics is seriously effecting how we can do Lawn Care.

The whole reason I started this thread is to talk about Providing not good but Great Lawn Care in light of new label changes. Florida being Semi Tropical has a 3.5 month Rainy season with Rain predicted every day. If you have no solution to our problem, and the fact you don't work or live in Florida etc etc then please don't rock the boat in the Florida Forum. One of the reasons Yankees are disliked in Florida is because they come here acting like they know everything and Florida people know nothing.


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Old 03-03-2012, 02:56 PM
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Ric, Well stated.

I am no spray guy but I would assume any company that dose a good job will feel the restriction in direct result with the service they provide. If it is truly based on a chance of rain this would make impossible to spray during a large part of peek bug season. Everyday in the rainy season is a 20% chance of rain. LOL
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Old 03-03-2012, 04:22 PM
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I believe the only thing we have been talking about is Lawn Care. However liberal Tree Hugging Granola politics is seriously effecting how we can do Lawn Care.

The whole reason I started this thread is to talk about Providing not good but Great Lawn Care in light of new label changes. Florida being Semi Tropical has a 3.5 month Rainy season with Rain predicted every day. If you have no solution to our problem, and the fact you don't work or live in Florida etc etc then please don't rock the boat in the Florida Forum. One of the reasons Yankees are disliked in Florida is because they come here acting like they know everything and Florida people know nothing.


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Old 03-03-2012, 04:43 PM
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Don't miss my point that a law must be accepted in order for people to COMPLY TO THAT LAW. IMHO at present time there is no way the big box pesticide company can comply with the 24 hr rule. Their tech are spraying everyday and still having trouble completing their routes.

I only work part time at best and I don't see a way of complying.

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The pest controllers will do a better job at trying to adhere to the new regulations, as difficult as they may seem. Big Box companies are definitely behind the eight ball on this

I agree, the rule is almost impossible to comply with because our weather is so localized in general. I may have rain on my side of the street, but not on the other.

The ridiculous thing about the rule is that they burden the wrong people with it. Homeowners are the worst offenders and contribute the most to excess application, run off and contamination. Professionals (at least most) are judicious in their applications.

Just another way for the government to put the wood to the little guy.
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Old 03-03-2012, 04:45 PM
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:41 PM
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The homeowners are the worst offenders and contribute the most to excess application, run off and contamination.
Had an HO today ,across from the palm guy, ask me if he puts down double the weed & feed and with the heavy rain tonight. Would it fix his lawn. I just smiled. Told him to return the weed and feed since the label is the law and clearly intends to violate it and referred him to a spray guy. Gave him a guesstimate of about 2k replace his dead SA from cinch bugs last summer.
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:46 PM
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In review of my post. The little community amazes me every year almost every yard gets a cinch problem. Really I love it. The big box squirt guys offer sod replacement guarantees but yet we do sod patch jobs every year.
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