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Old 05-03-2012, 07:27 AM
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Dukester- what are you tracing with?

on the solenoid have you tried to put the black lead on common and red lead on valve wire?
You talk and instruct like a Texan.
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Old 05-04-2012, 10:23 PM
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Hmmm, I was thinkin' it sounded more like Yoda.
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:43 AM
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Hmmm, I was thinkin' it sounded more like Yoda.
Mmmmm...... follow the null you must, to find what you seek.
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:28 AM
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The bundle comes in from the parking lot right behind my truck.
Note the sidewalk has metal edging that runs paralell to the bundle, sometimes right over it.

This splice box was installed because a trencher was sent through installing an errosion fence. A GC vendor did some of the repairs. I wonder what the logic is of the one orange and two blues in there the nut? There are two splices like this?

I have fixed 3 others breaks but this one is kicking my butt.








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Old 05-05-2012, 10:59 AM
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Do you have a toner ? Sometimes the off colors are extra, what is your problem ?
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:21 AM
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Hey Waterlogged.

All I have is the 521 and the Multi.

Obviously, I either need more experience on it, some other piece of equipment ot Both.

Most of the time the 521 works well for me but not always as I mentioned when I first jumped in this thread.

The problem is it seems I do have an Open to air circuit. The circuit run is about 1800 feet or so. I know the basic path, where the valve is located. I just can not find the open and need to get this thing resolved ASAP

I can see the Blues are the spares and I believe this circuit was added after the face is is run on a spare.
I just am not sure why there would be two blues and an orange under one Splice.
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Old 05-05-2012, 12:32 PM
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Have you tried from the valve back to the timer? Does the wire you are working on go through the box with splices, with a toner you can find the wire you are looking for. It may be that someone spiced on to a wire that is not used. Check your batt. on your 521 1800 ft is a long way. How many timers. You said open but did you check for power at the valve.
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Old 05-05-2012, 12:51 PM
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Hey Waterlogged.

I can see the Blues are the spares and I believe this circuit was added after the face is is run on a spare.

I just am not sure why there would be two blues and an orange under one Splice.
which wire are you chasing in the box? i'd find that first and chase the other issues second.

you have a mess on your hands for sure for certain. you can use the 521 in place of a toner in emergencies, the aerial is vertical which gives you a null response when above the wire. when placed along the wire you get a peak signal response similar to a toner.

you could turn the station on and set your DMM to 200vac, insert the black lead into the earth and either puncture the insulation with the red probe or insert the probe into the wire nut and test the voltage to determine the proper wire to chase.

WHAT IF:

the blues / orange are 2 valves on 1 station?

1 valve on 2 stations?
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Old 05-05-2012, 02:55 PM
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Hmmm, I was thinkin' it sounded more like Yoda.
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Mmmmm...... follow the null you must, to find what you seek.
unless the aerial is horizontal, then you will seek peak
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Old 05-05-2012, 03:34 PM
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Have you tried from the valve back to the timer? Does the wire you are working on go through the box with splices, with a toner you can find the wire you are looking for. It may be that someone spiced on to a wire that is not used. Check your batt. on your 521 1800 ft is a long way. How many timers. You said open but did you check for power at the valve.
Only one timer.

Yes, I have but the signal gets weak after about 1200 feet.

Guess I will try to verify which wire this is in the junction shown then go from there. There should a junction somewhere between this one and the controller.

Unfortunately, while I am likely the most familair with the site several others have worked on this system besides me.
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