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Old 07-01-2012, 10:07 PM
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I have tested locally produced composts and they have serious faults. My issue is with how many granola eaters and local experts sell it as some kind of magic powder that fixes everything, taking the place of fertilizer. If someone wants to talk efficiency, what is more efficient? Having to spread material at tons per acre? With not much greater benefit that an application of material at around 100 lbs per acre. I also know my soils here as well. There is usually at least 5% OM and 10% is normal in most turf and landscape situations. Do I still need to add more OM to that kind of soil?
I'm sorry gd, was I recommending you use compost? Further, just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it can't work for someone else.



Compost maintained turf with little to no additional (fertilizer) inputs. Compost is added once a year at fall over seed as a seed covering.

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Old 07-01-2012, 10:09 PM
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Different locations need different treatments. Not trying to argue.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:10 PM
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I found high salts, high pH and high bicarbonates in commercially produced compost. Is that a good addition to soil that already has those issues? I think not. My soil OM is also really high in most cases as well. Thinking about the situation causes me to not fall for the politically correct move of adding more compost. Rather, I deal with the soil chemistry and get results.
Well, if I see fences and pallets in the compost / mulch yard I get concerned.

Some yards will send out unfinished product as well. It is still steaming hot.

I go to trusted yards, and stay away from municiple units too.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:11 PM
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There is no overseed for hybrid bermuda or hybrid zoysia or st augustine. I have used compost on the rare lawn growing on pure sand that has never had clay added to it. It is not a bad thing when used in the right circumstances.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:13 PM
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Well, if I see fences and pallets in the compost / mulch yard I get concerned.

Some yards will send out unfinished product as well. It is still steaming hot.

I go to trusted yards, and stay away from municiple units too.
I also get free weeds and of course, lots of still raw wood be it from pallets or trees.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:15 PM
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There is no over seed for hybrid Bermuda or hybrid zoysia or st augustine. I have used compost on the rare lawn growing on pure sand that has never had clay added to it. It is not a bad thing when used in the right circumstances.
I believe he meant winter grass over seed. Not re-establishment. You don't over seed with winter grass like we do.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:17 PM
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He is talking about Turf Type Tall Fescue growing in a dry climate where he has total control over irrigation and probably even the soil it was planted on. Not an overseed with rye.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:18 PM
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I also get free weeds and of course, lots of still raw wood be it from pallets or trees.
You pay more for fine screened mulch designed for top dressing
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:19 PM
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Sure do. Even then, bicarbonates, salt and a high pH is free.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:19 PM
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He is talking about Turf Type Tall Fescue growing in a dry climate where he has total control over irrigation and probably even the soil it was planted on. Not an overseed with rye.

Err, must be a so cal thing. Rye rules around here.
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