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Old 07-01-2012, 10:56 PM
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Growing grass is its own soil conditioning and aeration mechanism.
I don't necessarily agree with this. Some sites and soils need help, especially under heavy usage patterns.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:57 PM
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Did not say that grass growing without outside inputs would do this. I should know. Withhold water and nutrients from a turf site in my area and it is no longer turf.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:58 PM
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I told you how builders ruin the ground for support of plant life. Many people have been taken by that move. Soil testing tells all.

Provided I could actually get a representative sample.
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:01 PM
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Did not say that grass growing without outside inputs would do this. I should know. Withhold water and nutrients from a turf site in my area and it is no longer turf.
I was speaking with respect to managing a soils physical properties.
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:02 PM
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You mean that for all of the restrictions, permits, and inspections on everything else, doing that to soil in a residential area is allowed? Does not compute or add up.
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:05 PM
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I was speaking with respect to managing a soils physical properties.
Of course.
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:07 PM
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If the client does not want to pay for aeration and compost then the best we can do is manage the fert program. I will say again, the turf is the best source for adding organic matter to the soil but aeration and composting will kick start the program
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:14 PM
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If the client does not want to pay for aeration and compost then the best we can do is manage the fert program. I will say again, the turf is the best source for adding organic matter to the soil but aeration and composting will kick start the program
I have seen time and time again how a good fertility program produces immediate as well as long term results. I have also seen a compost topdressing produce immediate results. Neither way is wrong especially if they are utilized under the right circumstances. I do feel foolish adding more organic matter to soil that is running 10-14% OM when there are other issues actually causing the problems. Most of my problems have nothing to do with OM content,
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:18 PM
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I have seen time and time again how a good fertility program produces immediate as well as long term results. I have also seen a compost topdressing produce immediate results. Neither way is wrong especially if they are utilized under the right circumstances. I do feel foolish adding more organic matter to soil that is running 10-14% OM when there are other issues actually causing the problems. Most of my problems have nothing to do with OM content,
Most native soils even rich soils do not have more than 5% OM
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:21 PM
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They do here. It is from undecomposed roots, stems and thatch. Lots of our thatch here is caused by starvation. When the grass does not have enough N, it resists breakdown.
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