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Old 06-30-2012, 10:03 AM
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We seem to be doing OK with our worst clay scenarios, by running a little water everyday... becuz of dog urine we never fertilize but rather add molasses on a regular basis... it appears that 'runoff' is the most common place for rain/irr to go and evapo/transportation is the second most important factor... judging by the depths of moisture, even in the Spring, it appears that zero(0) water soaks into the ground, below the 3-4" mark...
Really? Does the soil profile change? Do you seen any earth worms?

What area are we talking about specifically geographically?
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:25 AM
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:26 AM
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Really? Does the soil profile change? Do you seen any earth worms?

What area are we talking about specifically geographically?
Sounds like you need a deep core aeration and topdress.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:46 AM
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I am wondering about the organics in the soil too. He may have perched water table but that seems pretty shallow @ 4".

One reason I like to do my injections of PCH for Trees is it also helps break up the hard pan clay 12" deep around the feeder roots.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:52 AM
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:11 AM
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Old 06-30-2012, 12:23 PM
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Really? Does the soil profile change? Do you seen any earth worms?

What area are we talking about specifically geographically?
No, the soil profile doesn't change... No earthworms either... this is a heavy clay topsoil layer placed over a sand pile called a hill... so, geographically we are growing turf on a hardpan that is on top of the sand , rather that the other way around...

Since winter snows and spring thaws are unable to soak through this hard pan, we seem to have the best luck irrigating this way... we've discovered this quite by accident, in that the daily rinse was more for the sake of the dog urine, and I expected we'd have to make adjustments over the course of the growing season, becuz the grass would suffer under this type of irrigation...

However, the grass has not suffered, but has done extraordinarily well... in fact, we can't see that there is any kind of downside in the turf... AND... it even diminishes the problem with dog spots...
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Old 06-30-2012, 12:26 PM
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But we are getting off course a bit... has anyone stepped outside the box and attempted a strategy with clay that kept the stuff from drying out or getting super-muddy???
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Old 06-30-2012, 12:44 PM
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But we are getting off course a bit... has anyone stepped outside the box and attempted a strategy with clay that kept the stuff from drying out or getting super-muddy???
Not sure how to help you based on the data given
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:05 PM
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Not sure how to help you based on the data given
Putting aside all of the "optimum Solutions" that may be real or theoretical... I'm just wondering what various strategies have been implemented in the real world, that seemed to help...

I'm not pretending to supply data, only whether people have found effective ways of dealing with clay inexpensively, yet effectively... don't overthink it...
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