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Old 06-30-2012, 10:45 PM
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:48 PM
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Someone please kill me now.
Can you come to Texas and operate an aerator in 105 heat?
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:00 PM
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Why bother? It is just going to create "clay pots".

It is threads like these that drive me insane, with very little (if any) accurate or useful information in them. So far, someone reading this thread might walk away thinking it is a good idea to irrigate daily, aeration is worthless, molasses fixes low infiltration rates, etc....

Then people read this garbage, do it and/or spread it around, and the whole ignorant cycle continues.
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:08 PM
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Why bother? It is just going to create "clay pots".

It is threads like these that drive me insane, with very little (if any) accurate or useful information in them. So far, someone reading this thread might walk away thinking it is a good idea to irrigate daily, aeration is worthless, molasses fixes low infiltration rates, etc....

Then people read this garbage, do it and/or spread it around, and the whole ignorant cycle continues.
Sad but I thought we might get some where with this one too.

Over stimulation of the microbes with nothing but sugar has to deplete carbon. No wonder the ants did not show up for the party.
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:16 PM
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I don't have a problem with using molasses ... for the right reasons.
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:21 PM
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I don't have a problem with using molasses ... for the right reasons.
I like sugar in my tea too but I can not live off it
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:28 AM
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I've heard of that idea before... How does it work and can I test the procedure on one half of a lawn and compare nit to the untreated half??? I am looking for the ability to drain water through soil profile...
Are you saying that this is possible by changing the chemical composition of the clay layer???
Yes. I have dealt with soils where the outstanding feature is high alkalinity from bicarbonates and magnesium equal to or higher than calcium. These soils feel like grease or artist's clay when wet. When dry, they crack and resist wetting. That is where soil testing comes in. My exact procedure is to apply all of my N as calcium nitrate and apply 20 lb of sulfur per 1000 sq ft per year in divided doses. Alternating ammonium sulfate and calcium nitrate is another option. You will not get that from your average turf blend. This program is not to be applied as a single application. It is to be spoon fed. If you are dealing with turf that cannot be regularly fed nitrogen such as tall fescue, then calcium sulfate and sulfur should be applied. I think I am the only person in the state to apply calcium nitrate to turf outside of the golf people. They use it because calcium becomes a necessary nutrient when the turf is being grown on silica and peat moss.

The action of trying to force tines into the soil often creates further compaction. Then there is the problem of what to do with the plugs. If the soil is that bad, there is no good reason to leave them there. You would want to take them up and fill the lawn with about 1/2 of non reactive sand. I mention non reactive sand because most sand sold in my area is ground up coral.

It is amazing what attention paid to soil chemistry can do vs turning lawn care into a Buddhist ritual of high labor manual operations and continuing to apply what the Lesco people tell you to use.
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:30 AM
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Generally I do not recommend daily watering although many ET controller will do just that if allowed. It makes for lazy grass in my opinion. Others will say it is ok, the concern is if you get a watering restriction.

I am not aware of this Calcium to Magnesium ratio for soil conditioning or for plants. I know for people it seems to make sense. How would find out the best ratio for their particular clay? I know I can test for those levels but how do I know the best ratio to reduce compaction and improve tilth?
1:1 Ca:Mg is normally a problem. I want 5:1 or higher. Watch your calcium source. You normally do not want lime unless the soil is acid and I know most soils in Texas are alkaline.
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Old 07-01-2012, 07:07 AM
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1:1 Ca:Mg is normally a problem. I want 5:1 or higher. Watch your calcium source. You normally do not want lime unless the soil is acid and I know most soils in Texas are alkaline.
we put down lime and make roads.
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Old 07-01-2012, 08:26 AM
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Using any thing but hollow core tines will worsen compaction in clay.

Do not aerate when excessively wet or dry either.

If you do have some decent rooting activity in the top few inches you can leave the plugs. Other wise clean them up.
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