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Old 08-09-2012, 06:04 AM
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hmm,...but my point is, I wouldn't say "start time" until they get behind the mower. Is this ethical is the question.
When is your start time?. The question of ethics has nothing to do with the matter at hand. Leading by example and your company policy are the only Two concerns you should have.
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:57 PM
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We have a time clock in the truck, it's plugged into an inverter. Our guys clock in when we get to a lawn clock out when we are done with that lawn and back in when we get to the next lawn.







































Right!!!

They sign in at the shop @ 8 and sign out as we leave the shop in the evening.

I like it when the lawns are close together, they like it when they are not.
lol, that was funny!
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:59 PM
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If they are under your control in your truck they are on the clock, whether they actually "working" or not. Sitting in the truck is working since they're not exactly free to leave. Where things get a little less clear is if they're driving their personal vehicle to a job site. Things vary a little state-to-state too.

I pay from the time my employees hop in the truck (I do the loading/unloading) until the time we get back to the shop. I pay for all breaks, including lunch time as well. I pay for the time they're sitting in the truck while I run into the dealer or to do other errands such as banking too. I also have spots along my route where we stop for quick 10 or 15 minute breaks two or 3 times a day when out mowing....scenic spots mostly...ponds, lakes, parks etc. For other types of work where we may be at the same location all day long, they're free to take a break any time they feel they need one. If I'm billing a job hourly, I subtract out breaks....the customer doesn't pay for them...but my employees still get paid.
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:13 PM
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When is your start time?. The question of ethics has nothing to do with the matter at hand. Leading by example and your company policy are the only Two concerns you should have.
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You're contradicting yourself. Even leading by example would lead to some ethics, hopefully along with a few morals in there. I want to know my legal rights. If I don't have to pay for the ride from a job site, that may be something I'd consider for now, but if it's the law, I have no problem paying, just want to know what rights I have. And furthermore, what's "your" definition of "start time?" This question is rhetorical and I'm being sarcastic.
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:30 PM
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You're contradicting yourself. Even leading by example would lead to some ethics, hopefully along with a few morals in there. I want to know my legal rights. If I don't have to pay for the ride from a job site, that may be something I'd consider for now, but if it's the law, I have no problem paying, just want to know what rights I have. And furthermore, what's "your" definition of "start time?" This question is rhetorical and I'm being sarcastic.
Your required to follow the law. Ethically you should not be trying to screw your employees. They make your money for you. Start reducing their paychecks by 50 cents here and a dollar there and they will reduce your bottom line by 50's and 100's. Unless they perform duties at the shop the minute that truck door closes they are no longer free to do as they wish and are "on the job". Ask Walmart how it went for them in court when they started trying to pay stockers salary and chinese overtime.
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:39 PM
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As far as paying by the hour, do you include the time your workers are riding with you to and from the job sites?
GV beat me to it, but why does this question have to come up a half dozen times a year?

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If they are meeting at your house/office and you say start time is 8am then that is the time they start.
It just seems so very simple, doesn't it?

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Lawyers are making a good living by sueing employers that try to screw their employees out of pay.
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Exactly, man up, raise your prices if you have to and pay what they are owed.

For crying out loud, this is so basic.

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hmm,...but my point is, I wouldn't say "start time" until they get behind the mower. Is this ethical is the question.
OK, let's put it this way. IF you were the employee, would it be ethical and moral for your boss to screw you out of a couple bucks that he legally, ethically and morally owes you?

Does that clear this mess up?

Since we're talking ethics and morals, you do remember the Golden Rule? Do to others as you would have do to you.

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Time in company vehicle between jobs is working. I don't understand how people could think any different.

If they got injured while driving between jobs would workmans comp pay them? There's your answer.
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Again, it seems so very simple.

Great point on the WC.

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Your required to follow the law. Ethically you should not be trying to screw your employees. They make your money for you. Start reducing their paychecks by 50 cents here and a dollar there and they will reduce your bottom line by 50's and 100's. Unless they perform duties at the shop the minute that truck door closes they are no longer free to do as they wish and are "on the job". Ask Walmart how it went for them in court when they started trying to pay stockers salary and chinese overtime.
What do you know? Quit confusing the issue with logic.
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Old 08-09-2012, 04:56 PM
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I pay for time they punch in to the time they punch out with a minor exception. The morning clock begins at 6:30 AM and from that I do the math. So if they clock in 10 mins early that is on them.

I pay OT over 40, pay for 2 X 15 mn breaks and I do not pay for a 30 min lunch break.
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:10 PM
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I'm sorry but I can't believe this question was even asked.
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:26 PM
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There's right and wrong way to control employee costs. Hanging around the shop an hour after things are buttoned up for the day should be controlled. My guys show up motivated to get the day done and out of this heat.
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:36 PM
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I'm sorry but I can't believe this question was even asked.
No, what's bad is that it gets asked numerous times each and every year.
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