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Old 08-19-2012, 05:42 PM
treemover treemover is offline
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10000 combination truck and trailer is cdl
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:56 PM
DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING is offline
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I believe its 26,000lb for cdl isnt it?
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Old 08-19-2012, 06:11 PM
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You are so full of sh*t.

Here you go lawn boy...make sure you add some shovels to your equipment list.

Classes of License:

The Federal standard requires States to issue a CDL to drivers according to the following license classifications:

Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.Class B -- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.

Class C -- Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is transporting material that has been designated as hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and is required to be placarded under subpart F of 49 CFR Part 172 or is transporting any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR Part 73.

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Old 08-19-2012, 08:25 PM
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So for an example an F350 with a GVWR of 9990# and a trailer with a GVWR of 14,000#:

1) Yes, The GVWR of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000#

2) No, The combination of vehicles (GCWR) is NOT more than 26,001#

= No Class A CDL

I do NOT need a shovel to do math.
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Old 08-19-2012, 08:28 PM
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MA DMV according to federal rules, in any state, you need a CDL to drive any of the following vehicles:

Class A CDL: Any combination of vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GWVR) of 26,001 or more pounds, provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

Class B CDL: Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.
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Old 08-19-2012, 08:58 PM
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Haha, I love CDL fights...

Why do you think manufacturers are derating 12000 trailers to 9950? To stay under the 10K pound catch. That way, all the people with F450's can hook a car trailer to it and not be caught in the CDL game.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:51 PM
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Quote:
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Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.Class B -- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.
This verbage is correct, but treemover's interpretation of it is not. It clearly states that you are in CDL territory if your Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) exceeds 26,000 pounds. Therefore, a 1/2 ton pickup towing over 10K does not require a CDL because the GCWR is under 26,000. Something like an F450 might require one, depending on the truck's GCWR.

Trailer derating comes into play because a guy can tow a trailer rated at 9990 pounds with a truck having a GVWR of 24,000 and not need a CDL at all. If the trailer is rated for 10K or more than he would need a class A.
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:15 PM
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Haha, I love CDL fights...

Why do you think manufacturers are derating 12000 trailers to 9950? To stay under the 10K pound catch. That way, all the people with F450's can hook a car trailer to it and not be caught in the CDL game.
It's also really useful with equipment trailers for guys with larger, but 26,000GVWR and under dump trucks. Can haul a decent load while still towing compact equipment around.
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:01 AM
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each to their own....just trying to save some people money. Been fined for this exact conversation by dot. People can "believe" what you want. good luck
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Old 08-20-2012, 04:19 PM
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You must have run into someone looking for any excuse to write a ticket. At the same time I was riding with someone who got a big fine for having a unsecured load on his trailer. The load ? a single bale of hay tucked in a front corner. They will find something if that's their mission.
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