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Old 10-31-2012, 01:48 AM
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I agree with the others, he is abusing the situation. How are the other guys getting paid? Are they being strung out as well? or his he paying them on time? Are they also people he would could consider a friend? or are they just employees?

As a business owner, there are times that funds get tight, and there is a set order in which you pay your bills, bassed on importance. First paid is always your EMMPLOYEES, then come vendors, banks, taxes based on importance and who will cut you off first. Then if you have funds left owner you pay your self. Also there is no reason you should be regularly paying for anything for the business. On occasion my guys may need to grab something that they can't get from a nearby vendor who I have a credit line with, such as if they need to run into homedepot. For this, each truck has an envelope with $100 in the glovebox. If the guys need to grab something more expensive, and the only option is for them to grab it right then, then I will give them cash or a check that afternoon, the next day at the latest.

If I was in your shoes I would start looking for another job, one with a reputable company. If you are a good irrigation tech then you should be able to find work. Once you find a new job, let him know if you do not receive full pay plus re-imbursement you will go to the state.
Gotta agree. As an owner, I'm the last one paid. I've had plenty of friends work with me in the past and I go without eating to make sure they're paid on time, everytime. Sounds like your "friend" needs to learn how to properly run a business or close shop.
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Old 10-31-2012, 05:50 AM
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It sounds like his friend is already on the fast track to closing shop. Employees are ALWAYS paid first, if he can't pay the first bill in the stack, do you think he's paying the ones below it?
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:10 AM
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First of all I am an irrigation tech. for a very small business (4 employees, summer) My boss is also a friend I have known for years before I started working for him. My biggest problem is how to get paid, he always tells me that he is waiting on a check so he can give me some money. I don't make much at 11 an hour, no benefits. I have tried to be flexible and understand that commercial work takes time to get paid. But now he owes me $2300 plus gas, because I front gas for our sprinkler van, plus misc costs, oil, parts, etc. Most of his problems are brought on by himself trying to manage everything and nothing. I don't want to burn a bridge and lose a friend or lose my job, while I wait to hear back on another job because I already know its time to move on, but he needs to take care of us (employees). Its funny because one time he strung me out on paychecks for 5 weeks and I finally told him to get me a check or I was going to L & I. I tried to help him with his business organization, we implemented a work order form to help keep track of time and materials. I'm at wits end and to top it off he like to talk trash about the competition or tell me he had employees come back because things didn't work out with the competition. So what do you guys think is my best option? I don't want to ruin a friendship or lose my job until I get another one but this snowball of back pay has to end. Thanks, Corey.

If you are a friend then you should know what he spends all his money on. Irrigation work makes great profit and at your labor rate, this guy is raking in the money if he is billing correctly.

I would guess.... Drug problem. But you should know since your his friend.

Maybe you should take your $2300.00 and invest it in your own irrigation business. Never talk trash though, bad character.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:14 AM
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If you are a friend then you should know what he spends all his money on. Irrigation work makes great profit and at your labor rate, this guy is raking in the money if he is billing correctly.

I would guess.... Drug problem. But you should know since your his friend.

Maybe you should take your $2300.00 and invest it in your own irrigation business. Never talk trash though, bad character.
Easier, found a better paying job.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:16 AM
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Every job is better than not being paid.. ha

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Old 11-11-2012, 09:59 AM
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I had the exact same situation

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=112342
READ my thread from seven years ago
Same situation
-worked for a friend
-used my own truck and money to get his business going.
-at one point he owed me 15k
-friendship was my top priority ( i was dum)
-I grew his business to over 150 clients.
-I went weeks without pay or less pay
-My bills were late,his bills were on time
-I paid interest on loans,he paid off loans.
Conclusion:
-Stopped working for him
-money was tight
-it took him five years to pay me back
-any other job was better than working for free
Current situation:
-I figured if I can run his business and make him in a better situation,why not do it for myself
-I have a profitable business now
-my employee gets paid before I make my own mortgage payment
-My business outgrew my friend's business
-my friend's employees are complaining about work with no pay
THE IRONY is me and that guy are still friends.
NEVER MIX FRIENDSHIP WITH WORK.
NEVER NEVER NEVER PARTNER WITH NO ONE
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:39 PM
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http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=112342
READ my thread from seven years ago
Same situation
-worked for a friend
-used my own truck and money to get his business going.
-at one point he owed me 15k
-friendship was my top priority ( i was dum)
-I grew his business to over 150 clients.
-I went weeks without pay or less pay
-My bills were late,his bills were on time
-I paid interest on loans,he paid off loans.
Conclusion:
-Stopped working for him
-money was tight
-it took him five years to pay me back
-any other job was better than working for free
Current situation:
-I figured if I can run his business and make him in a better situation,why not do it for myself
-I have a profitable business now
-my employee gets paid before I make my own mortgage payment
-My business outgrew my friend's business
-my friend's employees are complaining about work with no pay
THE IRONY is me and that guy are still friends.
NEVER MIX FRIENDSHIP WITH WORK.
NEVER NEVER NEVER PARTNER WITH NO ONE
Well it was his van, I was just fronting gas money for it since it also stayed at my place at night and on the weekends when it wasn't needed. He is in a worse financial situation then any of his, now three employees soon to be two and then one, maybe none. I was getting enough money to get by and was searching for a new job. Don't quit the one you have until you get a new one. The friend situation didn't help. His philosophy on a business is that you can run a business entirely on money in hand and not credit. We will most likely be friends after he pays me . I will not however do any more work for him in the future, I don't care what it is, I have a new job that keeps me more than busy, and pays on time. The only situation I am going to run into at tax time is payroll taxes on money received that wasn't technically payroll. For example, he owes me 2k, and 350 is misc. expenses (gas oil parts) for his business. I have no pay stubs or receipts or time cards but come tax season if he tries to pull something I will turn him in, I did him a favor for not turning him in on two different occasions when I should have.
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