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Old 10-20-2012, 07:56 AM
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This looks like a remake of the exmark metro 26", only with a bit of a bigger deck and a side discharge chute. The 6 hp kawasaki engine isn't going to be strong enough to handle the weight of that machine. I wonder how much that thing weighs? The timemaster is about 135 lbs.
The 26" has been discontinued.
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Old 10-20-2012, 08:06 AM
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Do the toro/exmark have self propel? do they have the option of a blade stop thing? do these mowers have electric start??
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Old 10-20-2012, 08:08 AM
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The 26" has been discontinued.
the why is it on the exmark site still?
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Old 10-20-2012, 12:45 PM
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That side discharge chute looks kind of small, like it would be 70% side discharge and 30% mulching when using it. Seems like it could clog up a little with tall wet grass.
The opening seems to be lined up nicely with the airflow straight across the front, like the staggered wheel lawnboys were. The machine has some potential I guess but at the price this will have to sell for, I'm not too sure.

Also, lets hope there are blade options. The Toro 30" has low lift, and no options as of yet.
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:46 PM
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Also, lets hope there are blade options. The Toro 30" has low lift, and no options as of yet.
The low lift is not an accident. It's low lift because the Kawasaki engine doesn't have enough ass to spin 2 high lifts, especially in thicker grass.

I don't understand why ANYBODY expects this mower to have better performance than the Toro 30" homeowner mower. It has the same exact engine, except the mower itself is heavier. Even with self propelled this thing will be a bear to operate. The only way to increase available torque to the blades (torque actually does the work, not horsepower) is to slow the blades down. When you slow the blades down the quality of cut suffers.

If they do put an electric start on it the mower will just be that much heavier.

Remember, horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is is how far you move the wall after you hit it.
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Old 10-20-2012, 02:32 PM
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I was waiting for the Toro and Ex Mark models to come out to compare them to the homeowner model to see if the differences were worth the upcharge. I was hoping that they would reengine these with a bigger engine over the HO model. I dont think the Kawisaki is much if any power increase over the standard HO Briggs engine. I personally think the Timemaster could use more power and hopefully the Kawasaki is leaps and bounds above the Briggs. The Kawa site shows the Kai at roughly the same output as the Briggs. Kinda hard to cut thick, wet grass with 2 blades and a whopping 5 hp.

Am I missing anything here?
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:09 PM
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Ill just follow along, wonder if toro will make a commerical version?
Yeah Toro has one coming out too...there's a thread on lawnsite about it. It's the Turfmaster 30" with a Kawi engine. Here's the youtube video.
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:15 PM
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Yeah Toro has one coming out too...there's a thread on lawnsite about it. It's the Turfmaster 30" with a Kawi engine. Here's the youtube video.
I might have to get one
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:56 PM
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The FJ180v Kai engine has plenty of power for mulching thick St Augustine...on a 21" mower. At 30" it will probably work fine a lot of the year, but you will have to really slow up when trying to mulch for a few months out of the year. Discharging and bagging will probably be ok. I'm more concerned with the choice of transmission.

This engine is no slouch and this is probably the best available option for it. You end up in no man's land beyond that. There aren't any real offerings above that in a vertical engine. 6hp and 8.7 lb/ft is about as good as it can get in a sub-30lb engine. Your next step is something like a Honda GXV340 at 9hp, and it weighs over 70 lbs.

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Old 10-20-2012, 05:56 PM
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I might have to get one
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