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Old 02-08-2013, 07:48 AM
RandalatA1Sprinklers RandalatA1Sprinklers is offline
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Irrigation Contractor License

What is everyones opinion on being licensed as an irrigation contractor? Has anyone been in the irrigation business then new laws required licensing and if so, how were you affected?

If you are pro licensing, what all should be included for licensing?

I was reading one of Dana's old posts and I agree that just because you are licensed does not mean you are not a bottom feeder and/or do crappy work. I have seen many systems installed by bottom feeders and fly by nighters that don't even have a backflow, or the wrong type of backflow.


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Old 02-08-2013, 09:29 AM
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Semper Fi just stopped by the recruiter yesterday to pick up some bumper stickers for my truck. I'm not against licensing. My only concern is that the fees, continuing education requirements, ridiculous specifications and over zealous inspectors can really bog down productivity and make it really hard to compete with people who go under the radar. For example I worked in Cary NC, a rich suburb of Raleigh. I was speaking with the irrigation inspector one day and I asked him some of the requirements. I was baffled when he told me that you had to have 100% overlapping coverage. But then he said he gave some lee way on that? First 100% overlapping coverage isn't at all necessary. I have been doing this a long time and I won't even entertain any arguments on that point. All that requirement does is make the system more expensive to install and maintain for the client and it makes people who go under the radar even more competitive. How do you bid the job for the homeowners best interest or the inspectors? What kind of day will he be having and how much will that cost you?
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:51 PM
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Semper Fi just stopped by the recruiter yesterday to pick up some bumper stickers for my truck. I'm not against licensing. My only concern is that the fees, continuing education requirements, ridiculous specifications and over zealous inspectors can really bog down productivity and make it really hard to compete with people who go under the radar. For example I worked in Cary NC, a rich suburb of Raleigh. I was speaking with the irrigation inspector one day and I asked him some of the requirements. I was baffled when he told me that you had to have 100% overlapping coverage. But then he said he gave some lee way on that? First 100% overlapping coverage isn't at all necessary. I have been doing this a long time and I won't even entertain any arguments on that point. All that requirement does is make the system more expensive to install and maintain for the client and it makes people who go under the radar even more competitive. How do you bid the job for the homeowners best interest or the inspectors? What kind of day will he be having and how much will that cost you?
First of all, thanks for your service to the country.

Now let me get this straight, you have no problems with licensing except for the cost of obtaining the license and the time and costs of continuing education. You also have issue with overzealous inspectors and competing on an uneven playing field while having the customer's best interest at heart.

Now explain to me how head to head coverage (which we won't discuss but you brought up) and an inspector's mood actually affect your bottom line if you are doing your job properly?
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:33 PM
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He said "overlapping coverage" there is a difference.
I would have a problem with inexperienced inspectors, what looks good on paper is not always the way to go and someone that's never installed a system should not be an inspector.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:51 PM
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He said "overlapping coverage" there is a difference.
I would have a problem with inexperienced inspectors, what looks good on paper is not always the way to go and someone that's never installed a system should not be an inspector.
Educate me.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:34 PM
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Too many variables, sometimes 20-30 years experience is a good thing.
Every area of a city is different same goes for every subdivision, every yard.
Sometimes you need overlapping coverage sometimes head to head is too much.
Depends on the soil, slope and maybe even the neighbors way of watering.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:38 PM
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One example of looks good on paper but bad idea in practice is the strip between houses on a property line. On paper, 2 rows of heads should be used on these to give head to head coverage but if you do that, the area will be a swamp, even if shorten run times, because of the neighbor also watering and the grade there for drainage. The real world best thing to do is to only put a single row of heads along the house and nothing on the property line, even though it's technically wrong.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:56 PM
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Overall I think the licensing requirement here in NC is a good thing. I hadn't been a contractor long enough and thus couldn't get grandfathered like many others, so I think they (those who were grandfathered) all should have to take a test and prove thier competancy. But I know it is a step in the right direction and is better for the public. I learned alot from going to the process of licensing and preparing for the test.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:06 PM
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Too many variables, sometimes 20-30 years experience is a good thing.
I agree with you, there are too many variables.
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Every area of a city is different same goes for every subdivision, every yard.
Granted, toss in muni pressure constraints, infrastructure age and condition, public and private wells and our diminishing auqafers.
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Sometimes you need overlapping coverage sometimes head to head is too much.
I was taught that a system with 10-20% overlap of the head with the valve throttled 1/2 turn and the heads unrestricted would allow for future performance issues caused by dwindling supply and pressure. The heads throw is then adjvsted head to head.
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Depends on the soil, slope and maybe even the neighbors way of watering.
Again, i am not in disagreement
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:19 PM
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I was taught that a system with 10-20% overlap of the head with the valve throttled 1/2 turn and the heads unrestricted would allow for future performance issues caused by dwindling supply and pressure. The heads throw is then adjvsted head to head.
It's been my experience that a flow control valve throttled 1/2 turn has little effect other than shutting off faster.
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