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Old 02-13-2013, 09:10 PM
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Also compared to the ferris, how is the speed on the exmark? According to the specs, the exmark is .75mph faster, I am curious to know if it is noticeably faster?
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I don't know about the Ferris, but an Exmark Turf Tracer goes about as fast as you would want to go with a walkbehind.
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:10 PM
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I went to the dealership to talk about the Exmark 60" EFI, The machine seems to be well built. Here are my likes and dislikes although I did not demo the unit yet.

Likes: I like that there is much less greasing than the Ferris. I like the vent system instead of the vent at the top of the gas cap where moisture and leaf dust can make it in the tank. I like the EFI engine. Up to 25% better fuel efficiency, according to their specs, if I use the machine for 600 hours, I should save around $635-650 in fuel, or around $1.05 per hour (my numbers may be a bit off). Less carbon build up. The blades do not over tighten. With the Ferris, if you hit the ground/something else, or if you leave the blades on for a long time, they become very hard to take off. With the Exmark spindles, they are not supposed to get tighter than when you tightened them. I'm not sure about the baffle up front and how they compare to the Ferris comfort control DD, but the Exmark TT is supposed to prevent grass and hopefully leaves from coming out of the front. The air system seems to be unique with the air pulling through and any dust circulates out of the vent on the air filter cover. The speed seems to be a bit faster according to the specs. The hydro fluid does not need to be changed, just the filters. With the smart computer (?) at the shop, they plug in and find out what is wrong with it, and hopefully saving on diagnosis and repair time. The machine seems to be relatively maintenance free. Finally, everything that needs maintenance seems to be relatively accessible.

Dislikes: The air filter cover has the vent and I would be worried that dust from mulching leaves will enter through there and clog the filter up faster. I use a leaf loader and the mowers are on the trailer behind it, so they get covered in dust. The hand controls seem a bit harder to operate. It seems the ECS will cause more fatigue in my hands, fingers and wrists than the pistol grip. Also, with the pistol grip, I can put my weight on the machine and lift the front end up so I do not hit a pot hole, a rock, or a sprinkler head etc. The height adjustment will be much harder than the Ferris. The deck is heavy, I change my height often. I have many different types of grass I cut, and I have the occasional customer that wants the grass cut "really low" although I try to talk them out of it. I think I will hurt my back lifting the deck up 4 times to adjust the height many times per day. It seems they should have an easier way, like some sort of spring system with a lock that helps you lift it then hold it in place. The machine is much heavier than the ferris (or it seems like it is) This may be good and bad. On hills going up, the front end should not lift up. Going sideways, I'd be afraid on a wet hill (which I have a few that stay wet and the ferris slides but I can get it out of there) the weight will cause it to slide more although simple physics says that more weight should grab the ground more. I'm not sure how it will handle because a heavier machine that is sliding and the extra weight of the machine will be working against it and pulling it down the hill faster going sideways. The hydro lines seem like the could catch on something and get pulled out. I know they are quite flexible, but if I hit a sturdy branch or something (which I don't plan to and I am usually focused on what I'm doing unless a pretty girl drives by, or is out tanning!) the lines could pull out, or get damaged. Also the ECS controls do not seem as safe as the Ferris. I like with the ferris that I can use my foot to stop the speed and come to a stop while my hands keep the mower from getting away. The Exmark has the lock that you can put on but that seems strange to me. I'm sure its just because I'm not used to it.

Overall, the three things that have me worried about purchasing an Exmark TT over another Ferris Comfort Control DD is the deck adjustment, the ECS controls and safety compared to Ferris, and the fact that it will be hard to lift the front end should I need to.
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Old 02-14-2013, 05:40 PM
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Let the hydraulics snap the front of the mower up. I never try to muscle the thing up on my own completely.

I change the heights many many times a day too. I like them the way they are. This way, I can cut in 1/8th inch increments. I have a washer system. I have "quarter washers" = 1/8th inch... "half washers" = 1/4 inch. So I can cut for example 4, 4 1/4, 4 1/2, 4 3/4, 5 etc.... It makes a bigger difference than one might think, rather than cutting in half inch increments, which is really a huge gap.

It can be a pain but it is quick and easy once you get used to it. Trust me, I've had a lot of these mowers over the years. I lift with my legs and put one foot under the edge of the deck. Then I lift. Really easy. Takes less than 10 seconds.

On the hand fatigue part, the triggers have a break in period. They are stiffer on a brand new machine. Once you get some hours on them, they become a lot better. I was having my son mow empty lots and our yard at 13 years old and 100 pounds with them. Other than blisters on his hands (which turned to callus and of course wouldn't be a problem for any of us lol) he never complained about not being able to squeeze. It will break in. I personally prefer these style triggers. It is all what you have used before and get used too.

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Old 02-14-2013, 07:03 PM
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Let the hydraulics snap the front of the mower up. I never try to muscle the thing up on my own completely.
Thats fine when the machine is operating. But what about if there is something wrong with the machine and you need to move it around. ECS is a PITA then...
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Old 02-16-2013, 12:02 PM
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With my ferris, I lift that up at the last second if there is a hole, rock, sprinkler etc. I don't see that happening with the exmark. Also when I get to uneven terrain that the mower will scalp on, I lift it up then there is a spot that it can mow so it goes back down then up again because of uneven terrain. I think I would be pulling out another mower to get these spots, or usin the trimmer much more.
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Old 02-16-2013, 03:50 PM
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Nope, you can do that with the Exmark. I do what you are saying very easily. But, the deal is that you are used to a Ferris, so something different feels awkward. It probably takes different technique to do it with ECS. Yes, you probably have to have stiffer wrists to do it with ECS but it can be done without problem.

Get a Ferris, it seems like that is what you are comfortable with.

This is the nice thing about capitalism, it gives us so many choices!!!
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:59 PM
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I'm not opposed to learning a new machine and getting out of my comfort zone to do so. I just like to better my business and continue to grow. A new mower and a software upgrade are on my list this year to advance and get closer to my goals.
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:03 PM
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So I am looking for a mower that will get the job done quicker, save me money in the long run and provide a better cut quality. Again, nothing wrong with the ferris, I just like to look for bigger better stuff to make and save more money.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:15 AM
Larson Lawn Care Larson Lawn Care is offline
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Can anyone give me a cut quality comparison for the ferris and exmark walk behinds? Wet thick grass, weeds, striping etc.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:41 AM
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Anyone that runs both, or has switched from one to the other... Cut quality comparison?
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