Gas vs diesel ... Diesel worth it?

[Dually00-00]

Originally Posted by JDGlandscape

That does not match up to my findings at allll. I wonder if your diesels are running properly or maybe old diesel engines? I used a 6.0 for a couple weeks multiple times and it got TERRIBLE gas mileage.
Like miserable. And ive personally used 3 of them. I got 7.5-8 mpgs towing 6.5k with it. Thats worse than i get with the diesel towing 13,000 pounds

While the 6.0 did tow very very well for a gas engine, it still doesnt compare to a diesel...
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I do assure you my my Powerstroke 7.3 is in tip top running order its got 4:88 gears and 6 speed so it's a stump puller not a fuel saver. The 7.3 and the 6.0 (gasser) are two diffrent animals and like you said the 6.0 does well for what it is. It will do the same job as my 7.3 it's just going to do it at a slightly higer rpm.
Here's how I see it about gas vs diesel you either want a diesel or need a diesel. I got my diesel because of its higer GVWR.

[slinky]

Originally Posted by PLS-Tx

What are you pulling with the Hemi?

I have a 2012 2500 Hemi, it pulls our 8.5x20 enclosed trailer with no problem at all. It's a blast to drive with no trailer.

I just ordered up a new 18' sure trac trailer. Ill be hauling my is2000 ferris, 40" toro walk behind and 52" toro grandstand. I also haul a little Massey GC2600 subcompact. So I don't see any worries with towing.
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[JDGlandscape]

Originally Posted by Dually00-00

I do assure you my my Powerstroke 7.3 is in tip top running order its got 4:88 gears and 6 speed so it's a stump puller not a fuel saver. The 7.3 and the 6.0 (gasser) are two diffrent animals and like you said the 6.0 does well for what it is. It will do the same job as my 7.3 it's just going to do it at a slightly higer rpm.
Here's how I see it about gas vs diesel you either want a diesel or need a diesel. I got my diesel because of its higer GVWR.

4.88 gears? Is that in a dumptruck or dually or something? Those gears are why the mileage is about the same as the gasser
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[Dually00-00]

Originally Posted by JDGlandscape

4.88 gears? Is that in a dumptruck or dually or something? Those gears are why the mileage is about the same as the gasser
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It's a f450 so yes it is a dually and it is also a dump truck. I wouldn't expect the mpg to be any better. I didn't buy it to get good mpg's.

[mowcrazy]

Ive got a 97 powerstroke and a 2004 6.0 gasser chev truck. I had to do many mods to the powerJOKE to keep it out of the way of folks running me over. downpipe, dptuner chip, yada yada and my 6 litre truck still will outpull that ford any day of the week and yes there is nothing wrong with the ford. My gasser never breaks or costs me money. The ford on the other hand has something wrong with it every other week thats costing me money. Injector here injector there, glow plugs, trannys are junk (automatic)...... Ill not own another diesel again.......... Ive got enough in repairs in the ford to have bought another spare 6 litre gasser and it would be dependable to boot. This is not a pun to ford its a pun to diesel. My buddys have the duramax junk also and there constantly in the shop also. We have all learned our lesson. For pulling enclosed 24ft trailer ill walk the dog up hill or whatever against this ford of mine. Maybe no the newer high powered diesels but my gasser will do 100,000 miles without a tuneup even....... your not gonna do that with diesel period. im all about whats less of a headache and gass trucks are MOST DEFINETLY not near as much of a pain in the ass as diesel trucks.

By the way, we have had several gassers go over 200,000 and sold them and most of them are still running around here today several years after we worked the hell out of them for over 100,000 miles on each. We had to do a few fuel pumps and one truck had manifold bolts crack. Easy LOW COST FIXES.

Why pay more for diesel trucks, pay more for fuel, and have them eat us alive to keep them running???? And just to get a little better fuel mileage???? Its a clear answer to me but we all have different opinions.

[Mr.LaVere]

my 2001 Cummins 2500 with 4.10 towing gears is used daily to pull a 16ft lawn car trailer around town and even making 25 stops a day still gets 15.5-16 MPG! 198,000 miles and the starter was rebuilt for $36!!!! Last year at 190,000 miles. Oil change is about $50 for full synthetic and have lab results on the oil that proves it's an acceptable interval. Company I bought my trailer from used gas 3/4 trucks and never got above 10mpg! I have personally bought parts for their Ford diesel trucks(I get a discount) because they keep breaking. I just keep driving and maintaining my Cummins! 23.5MPG hwy! Pulled a Suburban on a deckover trailer and got 16MPG hwy!

So for me the diesel is WORTH IT! Almost 200,000 miles and NO signs of slowing down! Paid $10k and the truck is currently worth 11 after 2 seasons! Gassers that are used for work just don't hold their value. MY .02cents

[Mr.LaVere]

Originally Posted by mowcrazy

Ive got a 97 powerstroke and a 2004 6.0 gasser chev truck. I had to do many mods to the powerJOKE to keep it out of the way of folks running me over. downpipe, dptuner chip, yada yada and my 6 litre truck still will outpull that ford any day of the week and yes there is nothing wrong with the ford. My gasser never breaks or costs me money. The ford on the other hand has something wrong with it every other week thats costing me money. Injector here injector there, glow plugs, trannys are junk (automatic)...... Ill not own another diesel again.......... Ive got enough in repairs in the ford to have bought another spare 6 litre gasser and it would be dependable to boot. This is not a pun to ford its a pun to diesel. My buddys have the duramax junk also and there constantly in the shop also. We have all learned our lesson. For pulling enclosed 24ft trailer ill walk the dog up hill or whatever against this ford of mine. Maybe no the newer high powered diesels but my gasser will do 100,000 miles without a tuneup even....... your not gonna do that with diesel period. im all about whats less of a headache and gass trucks are MOST DEFINETLY not near as much of a pain in the ass as diesel trucks.

By the way, we have had several gassers go over 200,000 and sold them and most of them are still running around here today several years after we worked the hell out of them for over 100,000 miles on each. We had to do a few fuel pumps and one truck had manifold bolts crack. Easy LOW COST FIXES.

Why pay more for diesel trucks, pay more for fuel, and have them eat us alive to keep them running???? And just to get a little better fuel mileage???? Its a clear answer to me but we all have different opinions.

I don't think all diesels are created equal... I worked at a Ford dealership back in the mid 2000's when the 6.0's came out! WOW! The FICM(fuel injector control module) for example. Very common part for the 7.3 and the Cummins simply doesn't have a "FICM" After almost 200,000 miles my engine has had general maintenance...

[Jaybrown]

I have a powerstroke. My next will be a cummins
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[mowcrazy]

Originally Posted by Mr.LaVere

my 2001 Cummins 2500 with 4.10 towing gears is used daily to pull a 16ft lawn car trailer around town and even making 25 stops a day still gets 15.5-16 MPG! 198,000 miles and the starter was rebuilt for $36!!!! Last year at 190,000 miles. Oil change is about $50 for full synthetic and have lab results on the oil that proves it's an acceptable interval. Company I bought my trailer from used gas 3/4 trucks and never got above 10mpg! I have personally bought parts for their Ford diesel trucks(I get a discount) because they keep breaking. I just keep driving and maintaining my Cummins! 23.5MPG hwy! Pulled a Suburban on a deckover trailer and got 16MPG hwy!

So for me the diesel is WORTH IT! Almost 200,000 miles and NO signs of slowing down! Paid $10k and the truck is currently worth 11 after 2 seasons! Gassers that are used for work just don't hold their value. MY .02cents

And honestly I believe that was my biggest mistake was not going cummins. My powerstroke gets terrible mileage. I have had an award winning mechanic look over this truck and assure me that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the truck. I do get A LITTLE MORE MILEAGE out of the diesel over my 6.0 gassers but not enough to justify fixing the ford OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER..... And just think I didnt go with dodge because I didnt want to deal with there auto transmissions and my powerstroke has already been eating trannys over the past year and a half.......

[Mr.LaVere]

aww trannys! That's the other side of the equation. When I was at the biggest Ford dealership in the Central US the transmission problems were as common as the 6.0 diesel issues! And very expensive!

My 2001 Cummins had stage 3 ATS installed at 77,000 by the original owner and the same untouched trans in still in the truck today at 198,000 and counting. Shifts perfect!

The most reliable transmission for any diesel is a 5 or 6spd manual though...
I just didn't want to wear my leg out pushing snow and the clutch!