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Old 03-05-2013, 03:04 PM
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Picked mine up last Friday. I've been debating one since I saw it at the GIE Expo last October. I looked at the Exmark & Toro side by side and felt that the Exmark was the better option for us. We have used the Toro commercial 21" mowers for 30 years but switched to the Exmark 21" mowers 2 years ago and really like them better. I hope the same works for the 30". We debated about even buying a 30'' also. This is how we looked at it. Over the years we have tried to replace the push mowers with several different types of 32" walk-behinds but none of them filled the niche. My employee always preferred them and were more productive using the 21'' push mowers in these niche yards over the 32". The client's preferred it that way also. Therefore the 32" walk-behinds always ended up just taking up trailer space and then eventually sold. Bottom line is that we have to look at these new 30" mowers not as a replacement to a 32'' walk-behind but as an upgrade to a push mower. One that hopefully will be more productive upgrade.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:22 PM
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The FJ 180V KAI is rated at 6HP
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:38 PM
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The FJ 180V KAI is rated at 6HP
how can this be? isnt the briggs version like 8 or 9?
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:57 PM
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I wish the torque graph/specs were available somewhere...
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:09 PM
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its almost like they dont want you to know anything about these mowers beyond surface stuf b4 purchasing. the lack of info on toro's site is pathetic.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:17 PM
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Engine horsepower ratings are quickly becoming nonexistent across the board now. Started with resi models and now commercial machines of all sizes are lacking the horsepower number. Displacement is about all you get with commercial engines now, and resi stuff still boasts the weird "torque rating" which means about as little or less than horsepower. They should send them to an independent lab to get rated so we can know what we are getting at least...
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:23 PM
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Peak torque is below typical engine speed/RPM for cutting...though, not saying it isn't useful info. Just surprised there was no graph at Kawasaki's website.
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:33 PM
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The FJ 180V KAI is rated at 6HP
the kai engine is good. this is what my quick 36 has, but i have some misgivings at such low hp. maybe thats why they show the guy mowing grass that doesnt really need mowed in the video.
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:49 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong but I would assume that the Kawasaki FJ 180V KAI engine would be the same engine regardless of what it was on, so according to a Toro site the Model 22189 21" commercial mower which has a 6.0 hp Kawasaki FJ180V KAI engine, Self Propelled, Blade Brake Clutch (BBC). Now I'm assuming this would be the same engine that Exmark is listing for there mower?

http://toro.com/professional/lce/wpm...vac/22189.html
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:28 PM
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So joemower, why do the 32 wb's stay on the the trailer? Are they not an effective replacement for the 21's? I only ask because I have been debating 30" Toro/Exmark vs 32 Ferris. I was leaning toward Ferris because of larger engine , fuel tank, spindles and heavier transmission. Plus, my thought is that the Ferris would do better on the 25-30 lawns per day ( we use 21's and 36ztr sometimes) than the toro/exmark. Am I incorrect in my assumption and why?
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