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Old 05-21-2013, 07:08 AM
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Oh, I saw 31 and thought the 850cc (old rating) series.

These days with heavier machines, more power is tapped to just move these machines.

It wasn't that long ago that 20 & 22hp Kohler V-Twins were perfectly acceptable and adequate.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:53 AM
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Oh, I saw 31 and thought the 850cc (old rating) series.

These days with heavier machines, more power is tapped to just move these machines.

It wasn't that long ago that 20 & 22hp Kohler V-Twins were perfectly acceptable and adequate.
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I hear ya. My BIL has (last I knew anyway) a Toro Z Master Commercial with the 23 Kohler Magnum HS engine and 62" deck. They have some of the thickest and fastest growing turf to be found in MI. They cut 3-4 acres of it at full sticks through tall spring growth with no problem powerwise. Few these days would think about getting a 23 HP for that sized deck. Times have definitely changed.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:01 AM
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The 23 was 675cc IIRC!
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That sounds about right from what I remember.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:15 AM
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TLS, I'm interested in hearing a recap since you have some seat time on the X. Can you give some pros and cons vs. the xr7? This is super valuable info for me since I still currently run a xr7 and haven't ruled out an X.

Questions coming to mind is QOC, clipping dispersal, ride quality, handling, speed, layout, ease of maintenance, build, finish, etc.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:26 AM
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I like EVERY one o your categories better on the X vs my old SuperZ.

I really thought I'd miss the speed, I really don't. I'd like to get a speed reading on it sometime, but it feels faster than 11.5 for sure.

My biggest gripe is the parking brake (hard to adjust back to using one).

The other thing is the stiffness and touchy-ness of the sticks. I adjusted the dampeners to the lowest setting, but its still like a workout machine! Guess my arms and shoulders will get a workout.

I'd like softer caster tires for sure. May end up switching these out, not sure yet.

Other then that, I like it a lot better. Cut is tons better than my XR-7. Crisp and pool table smooth at 3.5 to 4" ( heights I could never mow at with the SuperZ).
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:57 AM
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TLS, I'm interested in hearing a recap since you have some seat time on the X. Can you give some pros and cons vs. the xr7? This is super valuable info for me since I still currently run a xr7 and haven't ruled out an X.

Questions coming to mind is QOC, clipping dispersal, ride quality, handling, speed, layout, ease of maintenance, build, finish, etc.
Let me see how close I get to what TLS will say.

QOC = Very Good, somewhat better than the XR-7 but it is a new
mower, with new blades and slick paint, under a new UltraCut
deck.

Clipping Dispersal = Far superior to the XR-7 due to deck design
and excessive power in comparison to the 28 efi.

Ride Quality = Fair, would be better with pneumatic front tires, but
as good as the Hustler in the ride category.

Handling = Hydraulics will not operate as smootly as a Hustler.

Speed = No comparison, much slower, but due to extreme power
not as noticeable. If compared in dry grass cut on a
normal schedule, the Super Z is much more productive
due to its much faster speed.

Layout = Good, but no better than the Super Z.

Ease of Maintenance = Both pretty equal.

Build = The Exmark is more than adequate, but not built with the
added strength of the Super Z.

Finish = Excellent top quality finish on the Exmark, but the finish on
a new Hustler would be comparable.


I will personally add this, I believe the new Exmark to be the most technology advanced ztr manufactured in today's market, but with that said, there is no ztr comparable with a Hustler Super Z for strength in build, or for smoothness and ease of operation.

TLS correct me where I missed the mark, I am interested in your thoughts.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:19 AM
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Pretty good Puppy.

I guess with the speed, it's the acceleration that makes up for it.

Strength wise. VERY adequate. There are a few areas that the Hustler is beefier, but the Lazer is no weakling. Very robust and stout.

I would also give the ease of maintenance to the Hustler. While there are no real greaseable fittings (only yearly) on the eXmark, the engine is really shoe-horned in the thing. I dread when it comes time to replace the front spark plug! No that it was easy on the Hustler, but I was able to get it w/o too much trouble.

I don't think the QOC will diminish much over time on the UC, as my old UC cut well into the 2000's hrs. Grass packing has a chance at becoming worse with paint wearing off, we'll see.

Handling wise, the X has it all over the SuperZ on hills. This thing is like a billy goat! I can stop on any hill and actually back up it!

Deck lifts higher as well. Doesn't scrape my trailer gate at all.
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Pretty good Puppy.

I guess with the speed, it's the acceleration that makes up for it.

Strength wise. VERY adequate. There are a few areas that the Hustler is beefier, but the Lazer is no weakling. Very robust and stout.

I would also give the ease of maintenance to the Hustler. While there are no real greaseable fittings (only yearly) on the eXmark, the engine is really shoe-horned in the thing. I dread when it comes time to replace the front spark plug! No that it was easy on the Hustler, but I was able to get it w/o too much trouble.

I don't think the QOC will diminish much over time on the UC, as my old UC cut well into the 2000's hrs. Grass packing has a chance at becoming worse with paint wearing off, we'll see.

Handling wise, the X has it all over the SuperZ on hills. This thing is like a billy goat! I can stop on any hill and actually back up it!

Deck lifts higher as well. Doesn't scrape my trailer gate at all.
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I honestly have no way of comparing ease of maintenance, what I did was guess.

How does the ride and handling compare, in other words think of the 34 sitting on your old Super Z, then try to think of the differences you may or may not see? The added power makes a huge difference in many areas.

I've never operated any mower close in hydraulic smoothness to the Super Z.
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:31 PM
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I think the 34 would have killed hydros quicker on a SuperZ. It would have allowed me to tackle hills better and killed them quicker.

DC had smooth sticks. No dampeners at all on those!

SCAG is stiff as well. I think it's to protect the hydros better. Less operator stick shock.

The cut though...wow. I'd like to shove those Free Flow Triangle baffles up that engineers you know what!
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