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Old 08-12-2013, 10:19 PM
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We sell labor not brick, I do it without a markup because the customer will screw it up. And if they saw that the brick for a $10k patio only cost $1500 they would have a stroke.
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Old 08-12-2013, 11:14 PM
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You need to mark up materials much more than what you are, or you need to get better pricing. How much discount do you guys typically get on your interlock purchases. The way I am reading things is if you don't make a dime on material, then why not just get the customer to purchase it. Let them deal with losing a grand.
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You need to at least make make the difference between retail and wholesale. Or more.
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Old 08-12-2013, 11:19 PM
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Canada to the United States. An Apple to Grapes comparison, in terms of markets.

In the Unites States the profit margins for hardscape work are slim to near nothing. There is no money in installing pavers. Unless you're in a market with a lot of what we call "old money". "Old money" means the kids have finished college, the parents have paid off their house, college loans, and have retired. They have saved up some money and NOW after all those years of spending it on the family.....they're going to spend it on theirselves and get what they been always wanting.

My market is so tight with the numbers that YES, I would be worried about losing $1,000.00 on a 30 pallet job.
Where is your market? Have you considered moving? " Old money" is generally inherited which are the best clients.
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Old 08-12-2013, 11:26 PM
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So what did the supplier quote wrong? Material quantity? Or price?

This is why many suppliers will not have anything to do with assisting with estimating material quantity.

We haven't done a Hardscape job since March. Stories about losing $1000 don't make me miss those law margins that accompany hardscapes.....
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:55 AM
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I have written extensively on why we do not mark up Hardscape materials.

Marking up plants and trees for warranty replacement - a different story. Which I have written extensively about this as well.

We sell labor, not retailers.

I make money off of labor. There are many labor only industries. Such as excavating, lawn mowing, house cleaning, custom farming, well drilling, trucking, snow plowing, towing, etc.

Anyone ever heard of a man named 'Charles Vanderkoi'? If so, then you're well aware if his feelings about material mark up.

For more information, do a search on my user name regarding material mark up.

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Old 08-13-2013, 08:58 AM
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Where is your market? Have you considered moving? " Old money" is generally inherited which are the best clients.
No drake. Thanks to the recession I've never been happier. Good can come from bad and it has.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:12 AM
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You can only charge what the market will bear. I could price a job at 20k. I could have 8k of material with no markup and charge 12k for the labor. DVS could come in and price the job also at 20k. Maybe he marked up material 2k but only charged 10k for labor.

Anyhow, marking up material isn't a predictiable way to recover overhead.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:22 AM
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I like to count the squares of sidewalk in front of the house and miltiply that by 1000, subtract 100 to make it sound like theyre getting a deal. Uhhh the patio will be $9900!! Thats less than ten grand!!
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:40 AM
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A way to gauge the market is by the car dealerships in the area.

If all the dealerships are GM, Dodge, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Mits, Honda - then there isn't much expendable income there to be had. Your jobs will mostly consist of the 16x20 rectangular patio with a sitting wall on one corner.

If there are some BMW, Mercedes, Jag, Lotus, Porche, Lamber dealerships - then there is money in that market. Your jobs will consist of plantings designed by an architect, lighting of columns on the house, outdoor kitchen, and iron fencing around the pool.


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Old 08-13-2013, 09:44 AM
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It requires the same labor to install non-tumbled 6x6 and 6x9 pavers as it does to install TUMBLED modular pavers.

The TUMBLED modular pavers cost more. The non-tumbled 6x6 and 6x9 cost LESS.

If I were to mark up the most costly pavers - I would price myself out of the park.


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