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Old 07-22-2013, 04:41 PM
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Hmmmm.....2 applications of dimension? What rate? 2 apps of pre emergent cost money too
I use a rate of 5 lbs. per 1,000 sq. ft of 19-0-6 Dimension for each app. A pre-emergent combined with fertilizer is just about the same cost as regular fertilizer these days and in most instances, it's cheaper.

Round 1 - April 15th - 19-0-6 Dimension @ 5 lbs. per 1,000 sq. ft.

Round 2 - May 27th - 19-0-6 Dimension @ 5 lbs. per 1,000 sq. ft. If weedy at the time of application, switch to a liquid fertilizer and add liquid Dimension and a post emergent weed control to the mix and spray all 3 products out at once in a blanket application

Round 3 - July 8th - 18-0-8 Allectus (Fertilizer with both Grub and Insect control.

It works.
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:25 PM
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On the majority of the pre-emergent labels I've seen they state that the pre-emergent control will last between 90 - 120 days. I NEVER see it last 120 days and most of my customers haven't either. I typically see them breaking down at the 90 day mark so if you're applying it in mid April, expect it to be gone by mid July then watch the crab come in with the tide.

To prevent this, we've got the majority of our customers (both business owners and home owners) using 19-0-6 Dimension twice in the early part of the season for rounds 1 and 2. What a difference this makes! The service calls for crabgrass complaints for these companies has decreased to the point where they're non-existent and the calls they do get usually are for people confusing Dallisgrass for Crabgrass. Our homeowner customers are happy too 'cause they don't need to deal with Crabgrass from mid July onward and they won't have to reseed either.

I do two applications of 19-0-6 Dimension on my yard every year (April 15th and May 27th) and I haven't had a piece of crabgrass in my lawn in over 5 years. Call me dumb, call me whatever, but it's a "no brainer" to me. Spend a little extra money on round 2 to add a second application of a pre-emergent and keep your customers happy for a whole season (at least in terms of controlling crabgrass), or spend money later on products such as Drive 75, Drive XLR8, or Quincloric to control it later and have miserable customers. The choice is yours!
I agree with you, except in my view barricade in these parts is a better product for rnd 1. I do one app of barricade and one of dimension. never have issues. Its most important to educate customers of the importance of good cultural practices. For those with thin lawns I up-sell them fall lime, aeration and seeding.
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Old 07-22-2013, 06:52 PM
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I agree with you. Two applications of a pre-emergent control, whether they're both Dimension, Barricade, Halts, or a combination of two different kinds, will get the job done and reduce your service calls, your customer's complaints, and keep the money in your pocket, as you won't be driving around spraying apps for free.

Too many times, people do not read labels and therefore they do not understand how products work. They have no idea on the different rates that can be used, how long the product is expected to last, etc.... They don't realize until the problems start!

Good cultural practices and setting your customer's expectations to be realistic is where it's at. If someone doesn't have irrigation, their lawn will not look good in the middle of the summer - it doesn't matter what you put on it!
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:04 PM
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I use a rate of 5 lbs. per 1,000 sq. ft of 19-0-6 Dimension for each app. A pre-emergent combined with fertilizer is just about the same cost as regular fertilizer these days and in most instances, it's cheaper.

Round 1 - April 15th - 19-0-6 Dimension @ 5 lbs. per 1,000 sq. ft.

Round 2 - May 27th - 19-0-6 Dimension @ 5 lbs. per 1,000 sq. ft. If weedy at the time of application, switch to a liquid fertilizer and add liquid Dimension and a post emergent weed control to the mix and spray all 3 products out at once in a blanket application

Round 3 - July 8th - 18-0-8 Allectus (Fertilizer with both Grub and Insect control.

It works.
I'm sure it works for you but 5 lbs. of 19-0-6 Dimension tells me nothing. I need to know how much Dimension.
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:26 PM
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It's Dimension 19-0-6 .10% Dimension. Sorry about the lack of information.
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:38 PM
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That would be about .22 lbs per acre of active dithiopyr. (Dimension.)
If applied twice then about .44 active chemistry per acre per year.
Unless, you plan to apply more for poa annua control in fall.

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Old 07-22-2013, 09:50 PM
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That would be about .22 lbs per acre of active dithiopyr. (Dimension.)
If applied twice then about .44 active chemistry per acre per year.
Unless, you plan to apply more for poa annua control in fall.
Correct. None applied in the fall.
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:31 PM
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I do 2 applications or Generic barricade in the spring usually feb and april. It seems to hold real well at a .5 lbs per acre on each application.. Of course im in Arkansas.

I am a firm believer in charging for what you do for your customers. If its a crabgrass problem and they started late charge them.... If you applied a pre emergent and it broke down then in my opinion cleaning up the crabgrass should be free.. If its other grassy weeds like Dallis grass charge them if you have to make a special trip.. I usually pop the clumps with round up in my Bermuda lawns if its just a few spots on regular applications though..
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Old 08-13-2013, 12:52 AM
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