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Old 07-25-2013, 09:36 AM
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That's a 2.5 day job. Fact.

One day for excavation and aggregate base installation, including clean up at the end of day, and hauling spoils.

Day 2 - paver install and cutting. If you work hard non-stop (no answering phone calls, no Facebook) you may have time to sand the joints and clean the chamfer real nice. If not, then you'll have to do the Joint sand when you come Back or turf restoration And clean up.

Day 3 - final grading, turf restoration, cleaning driveway which last yr we started pressure washing the driveways on the last day.

That I feel is the best response and thanks DVS. I was shooting for 2-2.5 days also on this project.

But, like I said, dragged out due to the heat and taking long breaks.

So, ultimately it took 4 days, I was hoping to get it done in 3, but on the third day my guy took the day off to help send his sister off to college. So on day 3 I worked by myself, called it a day in the mid afternoon due to the heat and took 2 hours on day 4 (a Sunday) to tidy up.



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Old 07-25-2013, 10:12 AM
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That I feel is the best response and thanks DVS. I was shooting for 2-2.5 days also on this project.

But, like I said, dragged out due to the heat and taking long breaks.

So, ultimately it took 4 days, I was hoping to get it done in 3, but on the third day my guy took the day off to help send his sister off to college. So on day 3 I worked by myself, called it a day in the mid afternoon due to the heat and took 2 hours on day 4 (a Sunday) to tidy up.



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That's exactly what I wanted to hear! (that your expectations were NOT 1 to 1.5 days). And the longer it takes, the better the quality (in most cases).

These damn little walkways are SNEAKY. Especially when they have curves. It would take us just as long to install that walk in the picture as it would for us to build a 400 SF patio.

The walk looks very nice, by the way.
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:11 PM
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That's exactly what I wanted to hear! (that your expectations were NOT 1 to 1.5 days). And the longer it takes, the better the quality (in most cases).

These damn little walkways are SNEAKY. Especially when they have curves. It would take us just as long to install that walk in the picture as it would for us to build a 400 SF patio.

The walk looks very nice, by the way.
Thanks DVS.

Sneaky is right, we did a 400sq. foot patio last year and it seemed to take the same amount of time.

And thanks for the compliment. Homeowners are extremely happy with it. Next step is a color enhancer sealer to bring the colors out better.

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Old 07-25-2013, 11:41 PM
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Remove concrete sidewalk, excavate, install base and final grade day one, second day complete. For 3k, that doesn't leave much for profit. I'd charge 5 for that up here.
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:05 AM
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Does it really take a day to rip out 1.5 yards of concrete, excavate 3 yards of dirt and install 5 ton of base material?
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:12 AM
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I had a guys jaw drop since we ripped his walkway out in 8 mins. Sledge, bar, wheelbarrow to the bobcat and load the truck. Call it a day Nd a half with cuts and cleanup but with three guys you gotta pound these out to make money when these psychos are giving estimates at 8.75/sf. I know we're still inefficient but my guys are really sharpening up. I love watching them swarm a job and actually get it done.
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Old 07-26-2013, 07:35 AM
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Remove concrete sidewalk, excavate, install base and final grade day one, second day complete. For 3k, that doesn't leave much for profit. I'd charge 5 for that up here.
Thats what im talking about!

I had a similar conversation the other day with an old time business owner. We were discussing a 12k concrete driveway. His response...."why not 13k, or maybe 15k"

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Old 07-26-2013, 09:58 AM
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Does it really take a day to rip out 1.5 yards of concrete, excavate 3 yards of dirt and install 5 ton of base material?
If you read my previous post you see the answer.

There is no such thing as 1/2 a day of work.

Clean up and transportation logistics consume alotta time.

Does a small walk need 2-3 trucks on site? The fuel will cost more than the aggregate!

This is where an enclosed trailer backfires on production, as you'd need multiple trucks because the trailer is robbing a truck of maximum use.

Yep, the concrete will be out of place in minutes. No biggie. But it still needs hauled away and disposed of, along with the soil that is excavated. With a 26,000# gvw truck - that's most likely 2 loads.

Where would you stage pavers, bedding sand, aggregate, and still have room to maneuver the equipment to excavate and load the truck???

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Old 07-26-2013, 12:27 PM
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Job like that I would use my excavator would go directly from the excavator right into the back of the truck very little cleanup. When yours good at it as I am things roll
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:42 PM
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If you read my previous post you see the answer.

There is no such thing as 1/2 a day of work.

Which is why we would do this job in a day

Clean up and transportation logistics consume alotta time.

shouldn't be

Does a small walk need 2-3 trucks on site? The fuel will cost more than the aggregate!

No job needs 2-3 trucks

This is where an enclosed trailer backfires on production, as you'd need multiple trucks because the trailer is robbing a truck of maximum use.

The enclosed trailer and Skid steer would be mobilized the night before by our dedicated delivery drivers. One of them drives a F550 and the other is a Tri Axle Peterbilt

Yep, the concrete will be out of place in minutes. No biggie. But it still needs hauled away and disposed of, along with the soil that is excavated. With a 26,000# gvw truck - that's most likely 2 loads.

Delivery driver with 57,000 GVW shows up at 9 a.m. dumps aggregate, loads concrete and soil, then goes and dumps it. loads bedding sand and returns to job to dump sand. Pavers would be shipped direct from Vendor.

Where would you stage pavers, bedding sand, aggregate, and still have room to maneuver the equipment to excavate and load the truck???

Around here we just use the streets and usually don't get hassled by the city if its only a day
It is actually rather easy to coordinate this type of job to ensure that it is done in a day.
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