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Old 07-23-2013, 09:15 AM
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Small Engines and Ethano: a dubious mix

from consumer reports / may 2013

i run eth-free in all my small engines.

my gravely with the 17 horse motor is the only piece of equipment i run that gets gas with ethanol...
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:33 AM
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Unfortunately, The small ethanol free cans, or even a 50gal drum isn't economically feasible in our operation.

Now, we don't have a single gas station in town that carries ethanol free fuel, so that hurts.

But, one thing that I was talking to my dealer about is it seems that the quality of ethanol fuel is starting to get much better and he thinks it's helping the small handheld equipment.

That and I feel equipment makers are starting to catch up in regards to engine designs, and rubber compounds.

With us, we always run 93 octane through our handhelds, with opti-2 synthetic 2 stroke oil. Only issue I've seen is that the spark plugs tend to foul over time and we get a little gunk on the intake and exhaust port.

I attribute that to the ethanol. Before, I used to run non-ethanol fuel and the opti-2, and never had any buildup issues.


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Old 07-23-2013, 10:02 AM
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It would make sense for HH manufacturers to adjust to the current fuels w/ ethanol...but, of course, this just makes 'too much' sense.

I'll not know for a few years whether my switching to true 4-stroke (no mixed gas required) BP blower & trimmer will make it for the long haul, but so far so good. I still run e-free through all my equip...mowers included...though higher octane is not required in my HHs.

Bummer, I see that only 87 octane e-free fuel is available in your immediate area, WG.

Opti-2 is a blended/semi-synthetic 2-stroke oil, fwiw.
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Old 07-23-2013, 10:03 AM
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2 years ago we had to start using ethanol, nothing but problems that year.

Last year we switched to rec gas--90 octane, ethanol free--and had one runnability issue in August due to gas.

This year, we've replaced 2 carbs on mowers (1 was bad at the end of last year already) and 4 trimmer\edger carbs. Pretty sure this was due to the ethanol prior to last year.

Ethanol is crap. Bad for engines, bad for the economy but good for the farmers. Stupid gov't.
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Old 07-23-2013, 10:05 AM
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Bummer, I see that only 87 octane e-free fuel is available in your immediate area, WG.

Opti-2 is a blended/semi-synthetic 2-stroke oil, fwiw.
I'm pretty sure that even the one or two listed facilities on non-ethanol fuel web sites are out of date.

I've checked those places and they said their supplier had to switch to ethanol fuel.

As for the opti-2, I've always known that for the blend factor. Never switch to a full synthetic as we've always had great longevity results, and easy hot starts with it.


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Old 07-23-2013, 10:07 AM
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first off ethanol is bad for everyone as the government has to invest tons because they cannot make money without the subsidies. just like the corn crop.

http://pure-gas.org/ find ethanol free gas in your area!
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Old 07-23-2013, 10:08 AM
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first off ethanol is bad for everyone as the government has to invest tons because they cannot make money without the subsidies. just like the corn crop.

http://pure-gas.org/ find ethanol free gas in your area!
Don't go there.

Without farm subsidies, there weren't be too many farmers still left after the early eighties debacle.

As an ex-farm boy, I can attest to that.


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Old 07-23-2013, 03:24 PM
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luckily for me i have access to two different eth-free stations. one is even pay at the pump.

unfortunately you have to get out of the big cities to find it. if i still live in Dallas and was mowing i would be aggravated not being able to get it.
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:39 PM
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Unfortunately this is true.

It still doesn't make-up for the gubmint force-feeding it to us.


Edited to add: Don't you hate it when you're forced to pay more for something when you used to get it for "no extra charge"?

Sorry but ethanol is not a viable motorfuel. Perhaps they should use it as a feedstock?

The by-products from ethanol production is used for feed stock. One is a liquid protein, dubbed Heinz 57, an another is gluten, which is the kernels of corn that is left over. So it's "re-cycled" so to speak.

But I digress, I don't like ethanol in fuel for my business. Larger motors such as vehicle engines can digest it with not problem, but small equipment can't.


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We run Rec 90 on our machines and have had much less problems.
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