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Old 08-05-2013, 11:14 PM
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Well that one is from 2010, does the machine still have the 18mph capability?
Good question now that you mention it. I don't see it currently on the Husky web site either. I have seen some dealers that have that mower in stock so I figured it was still available..
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:19 PM
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Good question now that you mention it. I don't see it currently on the Husky web site either. I have seen some dealers that have that mower in stock so I figured it was still available..
I figured they would advertise something like that if it were still available. Can you cut in the transport gear?
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:27 PM
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I figured they would advertise something like that if it were still available. Can you cut in the transport gear?
There is a safety measure that prevents it, but like most safety measures it could probably be circumvented.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:37 PM
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Well that one is from 2010, does the machine still have the 18mph capability?
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I have here in front of me a 2010 and 2013 catalog from Husky. They both show a max speed of 12 MPH for the top of the line PZ's. All using Hydrogear and Parker components. No mention of the 18 MPH anywhere in either catalog. I believe that was something they were trying with the early 5400's(?), but then they went back to the separate pump and motor set-up they still have.

The 5400's aren't really a two speed trans, even in the Cheetah. They are nothing more than the same 5400's used by Gravely and a few others now, but there is two positions on the range lever in the Cheetah that limits the top speed when placed in one position or the other by limiting how much fluid passes over the pump. They say you can mow in the high range setting on the Scag website if the conditions are right.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:04 AM
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I have here in front of me a 2010 and 2013 catalog from Husky. They both show a max speed of 12 MPH for the top of the line PZ's. All using Hydrogear and Parker components. No mention of the 18 MPH anywhere in either catalog. I believe that was something they were trying with the early 5400's(?), but then they went back to the separate pump and motor set-up they still have.

The 5400's aren't really a two speed trans, even in the Cheetah. They are nothing more than the same 5400's used by Gravely and a few others now, but there is two positions on the range lever in the Cheetah that limits the top speed when placed in one position or the other by limiting how much fluid passes over the pump. They say you can mow in the high range setting on the Scag website if the conditions are right.
Thanks for the clarification ridin, I'm a firm believer that you cannot drive that fast and expect the blades to keep up. I have hustler and husky dealers in my town, I might have to try a pz.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:06 AM
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I might not have the 5400 info exact (going off memory there) but it is very close from all I have learned so far both here and at dealerships that sell them in various brands.


I don't think you'd be disappointed in a PZ. If I could get one more easily and have a demo etc before buying, I would be interested in trying one myself. The other drawback for me is either having to buy the big gas hog 31 or the smaller FX801 25.5. I like my FX850 with a 60" deck.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:36 AM
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That guy JimQ was a employee of Husky and a designer of the mower.
Hey guys!

I can't take credit for the design. A few of my suggestions may have made it into the final product but I certainly take can't take credit for the bulk of the work.

There were a couple fellas who were responsible for deck design. One Design guy and a Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) guy. I believe both are still with Husqvarna. One relocated to Orangeburg, SC and the other to Charlotte, NC when they ceased operations here Beatrice.

The chassis was designed by another guy. He was also responsible for bringing the entire project together. He's a very talented guy and landed over at eXmark when Husqvarna left town.

I was just the knuckle head that beat it up, and handed it back broke. (AKA Test Engineer).

I'll be the first to admit, the PZ deck is very similar to the 7-Iron. There are certain design aspects unique to the 7-Iron and the PZ deck that are very beneficial to productivity and cut quality. I'm a bit surprised other OEM's haven't picked up on it yet. Maybe they have and we just haven't seen it yet.

As far as Deere going after Husqvarna for having a similar design, I don't think it will happen. I'm sure it's irritating to them but I don't believe the 7-Iron design was protected in any way. On the other hand, The MOD (Mulch on Demand) is pretty well protected. You probably won't see a similar design out there from a competing company.

I'm not sure what happened to the variable speed 5400 PZ or the diesel PZ. I would say it was probably a combination of issues that that did them in. My guess is a combination of low demand, technical issues, and streamlined manufacturing process. (not necessarily in that order).

BTW, the 5400 achieved the multiple speeds with a variable displacement wheel motor. The pump displacement was controlled by the levers, just like all Z's and the wheel motor displacement was controlled by the foot pedal. By decreasing the displacement of the wheel motor, you got added speed at the expense of torque.

Good to hear from you guys!

Take care,

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Old 08-06-2013, 10:40 AM
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Hey Jim, good to hear from ya!! Thanks for all the great info. Stop in more often if you can.

How's the new business going for you?
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Old 08-06-2013, 05:53 PM
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How's the new business going for you?
Business is good! Closing in on the 2 year mark. Still primarily service and repair. The shop is full of broken stuff and I have plenty of work to keep me busy. I sell a few Tanaka handhelds. I'd love to get into wheeled goods but it's a huge financial commitment and I don't feel comfortable going there just yet. Unsold equipment could financially ruin me in a hurry! I'll get there though!

Hope everything is good with you!

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Old 08-06-2013, 08:38 PM
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Hey guys!

I can't take credit for the design. A few of my suggestions may have made it into the final product but I certainly take can't take credit for the bulk of the work.

There were a couple fellas who were responsible for deck design. One Design guy and a Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) guy. I believe both are still with Husqvarna. One relocated to Orangeburg, SC and the other to Charlotte, NC when they ceased operations here Beatrice.

The chassis was designed by another guy. He was also responsible for bringing the entire project together. He's a very talented guy and landed over at eXmark when Husqvarna left town.

I was just the knuckle head that beat it up, and handed it back broke. (AKA Test Engineer).

I'll be the first to admit, the PZ deck is very similar to the 7-Iron. There are certain design aspects unique to the 7-Iron and the PZ deck that are very beneficial to productivity and cut quality. I'm a bit surprised other OEM's haven't picked up on it yet. Maybe they have and we just haven't seen it yet.

As far as Deere going after Husqvarna for having a similar design, I don't think it will happen. I'm sure it's irritating to them but I don't believe the 7-Iron design was protected in any way. On the other hand, The MOD (Mulch on Demand) is pretty well protected. You probably won't see a similar design out there from a competing company.

I'm not sure what happened to the variable speed 5400 PZ or the diesel PZ. I would say it was probably a combination of issues that that did them in. My guess is a combination of low demand, technical issues, and streamlined manufacturing process. (not necessarily in that order).

BTW, the 5400 achieved the multiple speeds with a variable displacement wheel motor. The pump displacement was controlled by the levers, just like all Z's and the wheel motor displacement was controlled by the foot pedal. By decreasing the displacement of the wheel motor, you got added speed at the expense of torque.

Good to hear from you guys!

Take care,

Q
Very humble of you not to take credit my friend. I know this the issues I stated to you I had with the LZ got mysteriously fixed on the PZ. So I figure you had more to do with the the redesign than you think.
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