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Old 06-09-2014, 02:25 PM
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I agree.

That's why I am always arguing on here with guys who say they "can't afford" to pay guys more than 9-11/hr. and why can't they find and good employees?

No one can "afford" to work for people like that, expect people that live in cardboard boxes and drive $300 cars to work.

"Damit my guy didn't make it in to work today! his car broke down again! he always uses that excuse"!

Uhhh thats because you pay him $9 and he drives a card board box with a weed whacker engine?

"well he should be more responsible and get a good car to get to work in"

On what? his college loan?

Maybe some people should be more responsible and pay their employees more.

A single person with no baby mama or extreme debt, can live on $12/hr with steady work.

A family (wife, kid, job holder) can live off $15/hr, with steady work.

We all know landscaping isn't steady work.

If 2000 hours in a year times $15/hr = $30000.00
then this is what the guy needs to make per year.

If 1400 hours is what you get in a season for work,
figure paying the guy at least 22,000 grand (the other 8k he can make int he off season by balancing unemployment and odd jobs, till the season picks back up)

that means 22,000 / 1400 =$15.71/hr.

That means THATS the least you should be paying a key guy you depend on and intend on keeping.

If you have mild to frequent OT available you can factor that in… but either way, a key guy who runs with you all season should be getting 18k to 24k per season (gross)…you depend on him to work, he depends on you to live.

IF you short change him, he WILL short change you or leave you hanging.

HE has priorities and a cheap employer will never be one of them.


Again I hear "I can't afford to pay the much".
Seriously, if thats the case, do it all yourself, or get out of a business you have no sane reason to be participating in… I hear there are a good companies out there willing to hire guys with landscaping experience.


Bear in mind, a single employee will ALWAYS make more money than the owner on a single route.

That employee might make $5 per lawn…the owner makes $1.

an owner isn't supposed to make a lot o money off one lawn, he/she should be making $1 off every lawn from every crew, so his collective pay accrual is higher than any one employee. But the $/lawn for each employee is way higher than the owner.

The individual owner should never be making more per yard that a single employee, unless its somehow a giant windfall.

This makes sense, but now I need to know where to even advertise for finding a guy thats worth paying this much?

Monster.com? Temp services? Labor Pools?

Craigslist???
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Old 06-09-2014, 03:27 PM
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A simple HS diploma will not get you anything more than minimum wage, especially since there are plenty of college grads who can't get more than minimum wage jobs.

So if you don't finish HS…your still getting the same min wage job.

I got a guy right now who hasn't finished HS, he makes $13/hr.
I think u just proved that you can. High school education does help atleast when I hire. It show that u put forth some effort. College isn't for everyone.
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Old 06-09-2014, 08:08 PM
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This makes sense, but now I need to know where to even advertise for finding a guy thats worth paying this much?

Monster.com? Temp services? Labor Pools?

Craigslist???
It is true that good guys are hard to find... I've had the same two guys for over 8 years now and we are usually able to keep a part time college kid for a year or two before they usually start their internships.

I would contact your local state job agency, put in your minimum requirements and add that you do drug testing and must have transportation.
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Old 06-09-2014, 09:10 PM
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A simple HS diploma will not get you anything more than minimum wage, especially since there are plenty of college grads who can't get more than minimum wage jobs.

So if you don't finish HS…your still getting the same min wage job.

I got a guy right now who hasn't finished HS, he makes $13/hr.
Are you speaking about lawn and landscape or any job? I am sure there are 1 or 2 people in here that make more than $13 an hour with just a high school education.
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Old 06-10-2014, 07:30 AM
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Are you speaking about lawn and landscape or any job? I am sure there are 1 or 2 people in here that make more than $13 an hour with just a high school education.
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I have a cousin who was 2 classes short of getting his electrical engineering degree, so he only has a HS diploma. He's the electrical supervisor at a federal prison making over $75k per year.... I would say he is the exception.

However, there are several fields with decent pay requiring only a HS diploma but they do require certifications.... heavy equipment operators, welders, electricians, etc......
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Old 06-10-2014, 07:53 AM
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Are you speaking about lawn and landscape or any job? I am sure there are 1 or 2 people in here that make more than $13 an hour with just a high school education.
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I made over double that the year after I graduated. $29 with benefits

I would have been over 35 before I was 21, but had to quit
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Old 06-10-2014, 05:21 PM
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I'm all for paying a premium wage for employees. My problem is most guys I hire have very little experience. The most experienced person I have interview had 2 years crew leader experience primarily with large commercials. I'm mostly residential.

I feel that if I'm paying a guy a premium wage I would have a very short leash on his quality and attitude.

So my thoughts are a base wage and then a weekly crew bonus? I shouldn't have to pay a bonus but most of my guys are very "green." None ever seem to know the detail work and their isn't enough margin to hire a sole bed maintenance guy.
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Old 06-10-2014, 07:57 PM
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i just calculated what i estimate to be a living wage for my area... based off 40hrs/week a month came out to be $14.06/hr (after taxes) assuming they will use public transportation

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/
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Old 06-11-2014, 10:00 PM
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Grassmasterwilson....

I would actually argue that the opposite is true...

If you are paying a guy a premium wage, you should be doing so because you DON'T HAVE TO keep him on a short leash.

Premium wages are for experience and maturity.

Those two attributes scream "Leave me alone and let me get the job done for you."
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:58 AM
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I would agree, the more you are paying someone the more they should be taking off of your plate. They should be capable of completing things to your standards without you having to constantly check on them. Obviously in the beginning you need to feel them out, you just can't let them run free and not know if they are capable of it. Someone leading a crew should be able to prove these capabilities very quickly (otherwise they shouldn't be leading a crew)

This is why its very important to have job descriptions in writing as well as a way that their performance will be measured and reviewed with their superior on a regular basis.
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