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Old 09-06-2013, 08:46 AM
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I talked to a Mcdonald's rep. a few years back and found out what they were paying per month on each prop. It was $250 a month for once a week full service. I've hardly ever seen a Mcdees around here needing a cut or look shabby at all. A whopping $3,000 a year per prop, but if they've got ten props that's $30,000 . . .
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:48 AM
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So they "Like Your Work" but are not willing to pay? NEXT !
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:17 PM
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I always thought it was exaggerated about how commercial properties were frugal to say the least. Well I had my first go round with a property that still has me dumbfounded. Mabye its just me hopefully you guys can tell me if this sounds normal. I have a residential account that I just picked up in June. The homeowners like my work so they asked if I could give them a bid on their commercial property. They want a price for weekly and one for bi-weekly mowing (108,000sf turf) trimming (roughly 45 min worth) edging (3200) linear feet) blowing off parking lot (4800sf), color change two times a year with routine bed maintenance (900sf total bed area), 11 yards of mulch one time per year, they also wanted turf grass weed control and fertilizer program for (13,000sf) in the front of the business. As well as trimming 12 small shrubs as needed and pruning 6 medium sized crepe myrtles. Well I submitted my estimate, waited about 10 days then I sent a follow up email. I received a reply stating my price shocked them and they found someone to do it for 250.00 a month. My price was about 850.00 more per month for bi-weekly. Which I'm assuming this price of 250 is for. I figured I was a little high but not that much. Am I crazy? Or can a company do all that for that price? I forgot to mention the turf was not perfectly flat. It has multiple obstacles to mow and trim around. Along with a fenced in area that will require a smaller mower to be used. I just had to laugh at this one!

This is one of the main reasons I decided to get out of the commercial market about 10 years ago. I was getting stuff like this on almost every bid. It was really shocking how cheaply commercial lawn care companies were willing to work. Then you add to that the pressure of having to re-bid every year, no loyalty, and 30 people in whatever commercial complex it is constantly calling you because you didn't do something (that wasn't part of your contract, but they don't know that), etc. It just wasn't worth it. I make 3x more on the residential side. I don't need big commercial accounts if they're not going to be profitable and just a royal PITA. I went all-resi. over 10 years ago and never looked back. I'll probably never enter that market again.
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:56 PM
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i avoid commercial work. i have a few of them but they came to me asking. i never seek them out.

residential is so much better. just this year without even asking i had one start paying me $120 a cut instead of the usual $100 and another start paying me $60 a mow instead of the $50 i was doing it for. you get raises without even asking and you don't have to worry about getting lowballed because the customers are loyal.
I'm with you on commercials; I've never liked them though I still do a few of them. The right commercial property can be like gold if you price it right and get along we'll with the owner/manager but there's generally a lot of competition for the big stuff and managers have a tendency to go with the lowest price, which I'm not generally interested in being the cheapest. And as a side note I just simply prefer doing small residentials. Less work...more breaks...less worry and less looking over your shoulder because all your eggs are in one basket.
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Old 09-06-2013, 07:53 PM
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Same issue here in the Islands, alot of cheap labor imported and most business here low ball! Common thing they do is ask the customer how much you used to pay for service then deduct $5 to $15 off the lowest price. Its stiff competition here in Cayman. Its a small island about 50K persons and over 20 landscaping companies iirc.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:22 PM
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[QUOTE=Eric's Lawnservice;4855698]
They want a price for:

weekly mowing and an alternate price for bi-monthly mowing
there is (108,000sf turf) about 2.5 acres
trimming (roughly 45 min worth)
edging (3200) linear feet)
blowing off parking lot (4800sf)
color change two times a year with routine bed maintenance (900sf total bed area),
11 yards of mulch one time per year,
they also wanted turf grass weed control and fertilizer program for (13,000sf) in the front of the business.
As well as trimming 12 small shrubs as needed and
pruning 6 medium sized crepe myrtles.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:29 PM
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Are you talking about 250 dollars a month for 12 months? I assume that you are. If so I think that your price might have been a tad high.

3,000 dollars (the lowballers bid) for a 12 month contract, delivering the services you have listed. I would not be that cheap, but I am legit and have some overhead.
Your price would have been 10,200 for the services you have listed - that sounds pretty high to me. I would have shot for around 4500 to 5000 for that job. If I read it correctly 850 a month was your bid??? Not sure.
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:50 PM
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Obv dumb scumbag who has absolutely no idea how stupid his quote was. I bet he spends more money on gas than the 250 he makes.
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Old 09-07-2013, 10:20 PM
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Thanks for all the reply's. Its been a crazy week I just now have time to read them all. I am aware ny price may have been on the high side. But for what it's worth this was my first commercial bid. And quite honestly I don't see myself breaking into the commercial market anytime soon. Not just because my price may have been a tad high. But I won't do something of that scope for cost. I just sold a lawn renewal and mulch job that will gross me more than what that guy gets all year, as well as added on another 12 month residential yard. So I'm not worried about it. I love my residential customers they have gotten me to where I am so far. I just can't believe how much cheaper these companies sell to commercial as opposed to residential. Its the same service they sell to grandma for a premium price that they sell to a commercial property for basically cost. I appreciate all the encouragement and its good to know I'm not alone in dealing with "commercial craziness" thanks again everybody, lawnsite is a great site because of its members.
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:00 PM
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If you can get the RIGHT commercial accounts they can be extremely profitable as many of them want regular extras and will spend good money to keep the properties fresh and updated with mulch, annuals etc. The key is landing those gems. I have found that office buildings, especially medical / legal office buildings are a great avenue to pursue. $$$ There are many cheap people out there, the key is finding the people that appreciate your hard work and will spend for your services.
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