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Old 09-28-2013, 12:26 PM
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I think they are the wave of the future and make the most sense, 699 a side is good. On a Hustler HD it will cost you 15 to 16 hundred for motor and pump for a true heavier commercial unit so it is gives and takes.

If you are loading the system hard constantly I would think a Hustler HD style drive would be the way to go other than that for your average Joe a 5400 approach of just run'em use them up and replace at a lower cost.

The Hustler style drives allows you to handle more weight if need be, you could pull tow behinds with a Hustler system setup right and a current style all in one unit would not be up to that.

They can make the all in one bigger and Better, also more oil capacity and a oil cooler is always welcome if you are running real hard.
The 5400's are rated at 700ft lbs each and 18mph (with the right wheel and tire combo). That should be enough for any mower setup out there.
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Old 09-28-2013, 12:52 PM
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The 5400's are rated at 700ft lbs each and 18mph (with the right wheel and tire combo). That should be enough for any mower setup out there.
It's more than enough. Hustler just wanted bragging rights....again.
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:01 PM
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I think they are the wave of the future and make the most sense, 699 a side is good. On a Hustler HD it will cost you 15 to 16 hundred for motor and pump for a true heavier commercial unit so it is gives and takes.

If you are loading the system hard constantly I would think a Hustler HD style drive would be the way to go other than that for your average Joe a 5400 approach of just run'em use them up and replace at a lower cost.

The Hustler style drives allows you to handle more weight if need be, you could pull tow behinds with a Hustler system setup right and a current style all in one unit would not be up to that.

They can make the all in one bigger and Better, also more oil capacity and a oil cooler is always welcome if you are running real hard.
Actually just found out, most companies charge around $1300 to $1400 a side for the 5400's. I just replaced one on a gravely, and it was $1380. We are trying to figure out how to interchange, but the speeds are set different internally from what I can see. On the 3100's we have figured out that Bad Boy's will fit on most brands with a little modification. On say a Hustler for instance, we are having to use pulley and fan off the old unit to make it work. These days a couple hundred dollars to a customer is alot of difference.... It was $499 versus $700 to $900, so a little extra effort pays for itself in difference.... The 5400's are holding nearly 6 quarts of oil, I don't know if there is any other system on a mower that holds more. The Bad Boy separate pump and motor is a 9 quart system, but the oil gets really hot in those types of systems, so they need more capacity, in the 5400's or other integrated systems the oil doesn't get near as hot...
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:08 PM
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Good info! Thanks for posting that.
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:15 PM
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Hey Retro-
is that 6 quarts each for the 5400's, or total?
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:17 PM
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Good info! Thanks for posting that.
Just realized ill prolly get my hand slapped for that one...lol. Its public info retail though, I bet if a guy walks in and has a 5400 broke on one of the other brands, he is gonna ask me "Can you just put 2 bad boy 5400's for the price of one would it work?".....lol
No that's total, actually now that I think about it, I think it was 3.5 quarts a side due to the line and the overflow reservoir......My mechanic would know for sure, but it seems like I have to sell 7 quarts to make it work....
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:18 PM
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Actually just found out, most companies charge around $1300 to $1400 a side for the 5400's. I just replaced one on a gravely, and it was $1380. We are trying to figure out how to interchange, but the speeds are set different internally from what I can see. On the 3100's we have figured out that Bad Boy's will fit on most brands with a little modification. On say a Hustler for instance, we are having to use pulley and fan off the old unit to make it work. These days a couple hundred dollars to a customer is alot of difference.... It was $499 versus $700 to $900, so a little extra effort pays for itself in difference.... The 5400's are holding nearly 6 quarts of oil, I don't know if there is any other system on a mower that holds more. The Bad Boy separate pump and motor is a 9 quart system, but the oil gets really hot in those types of systems, so they need more capacity, in the 5400's or other integrated systems the oil doesn't get near as hot...
Remember what I said about proprietary models. That's a lot of coin for a manufacturer to give up when all they have to do is make a minor modification and claim it as their own.
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:37 PM
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Remember what I said about proprietary models. That's a lot of coin for a manufacturer to give up when all they have to do is make a minor modification and claim it as their own.
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I get griped out a lot for swapping around parts, but air filters from Grasshopper are cheaper so they go on the others, clutches are cheaper from Bad boy so they often go, oil filters are lower from one of the others, pillow block bearings are cheaper from Grasshopper. I always visit with customer first and always try for true oem sale, but when there isn't a difference in part only price, I don't understand why I would get griped at. I understand blades not being 100% factory, but on the other hand the g6 has been far exceeding any oem I have so they get pushed here too.... I do sell thousands of sunbelt xht blades a year, I know they don't last as long, but the price makes up the difference most of the time, expecially my customers that buy 100 blades at a time, some are as low as $8 each, and they make Kubota and Ferris icd blades too that are just as thick, and marbain heat treated.... No use in giving Kubota $22 a blade...
The whole reason I started my dealership was to "help" people like me that were mowing yards and getting worked over. If a manufacturer has a problem with that there is something wrong.
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:24 PM
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Actually just found out, most companies charge around $1300 to $1400 a side for the 5400's. I just replaced one on a gravely, and it was $1380. We are trying to figure out how to interchange, but the speeds are set different internally from what I can see. On the 3100's we have figured out that Bad Boy's will fit on most brands with a little modification. On say a Hustler for instance, we are having to use pulley and fan off the old unit to make it work. These days a couple hundred dollars to a customer is alot of difference.... It was $499 versus $700 to $900, so a little extra effort pays for itself in difference.... The 5400's are holding nearly 6 quarts of oil, I don't know if there is any other system on a mower that holds more. The Bad Boy separate pump and motor is a 9 quart system, but the oil gets really hot in those types of systems, so they need more capacity, in the 5400's or other integrated systems the oil doesn't get near as hot...
That is what I thought because I priced them and they were only a little cheaper than the dual system. You can get for 699 your cost?

That is why the Super HD is such a bargain, it's 1500 per side but you get much better drive components for that price.
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:31 PM
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That is what I thought because I priced them and they were only a little cheaper than the dual system. You can get for 699 your cost?

That is why the Super HD is such a bargain, it's 1500 per side but you get much better drive components for that price.
No, that's full retail, my cost is much lower of course as I am a dealer.... And a shout out to Gravely, they have an old school cast iron spindle that the whole assembly retails for $99, no reason to even mess with taking it apart.... If those would fit on other mowers it would be happening everyday up here, the $200 New Bad Boy spindle is freaking people out, One guy replaced all 3, it was over $600 cause he didn't want to mess with replacing the bearings which would've been $180 plus labor..... I have actually been putting some older style cast iron spindles on some of the newer Bad Boys cause they are $119 each, and all some can afford...
New Hustler Hyper drive puts you well over $12000 too though for a gas machine, but what a transmission it is!!!
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