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Old 09-28-2013, 04:24 PM
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I have talked to both my insurance agent and lawyer about this extensively. Mainly because my insurance carrier requires anybody who cause an auto accident to get tested, any workmanship comp claims get tested, also if anyone causes more than 2k in property damage and I file a gl claim, they get tested. What was explained to me, is that it is treated the same as a person who is on a narcotic prescription such as Percocet. The problem with both is that it is easy to recognize if the person is high off their ***, but if they have just enough in their system to be drowsy or loose focus! they may not show any signs (such as their eyes). The problem with both of these is that the person could use the drug while on vacation and not working, come back 2 weeks later, get in an accident and still pop positive. The test doesn't show if it is just residual in their system or if they were still slightly under the influence.

Because of this, we have a zero tolerance policy, if their is any chance you could pop positive for any. Prescription which states not to drive/use equipment,then you do not do so if there is a chance you could pop positive.
Yep it stays in your system for 2 weeks.
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:19 PM
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Or, again, do as I do and simply do not hire Americans. Then it's a non-issue.



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Old 09-29-2013, 08:14 AM
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Having a medical marijuana card doesn't exempt that person from insurance guidelines. It is ok to possess the card but it is not ok for them to have thc in their system during employment. Drug tests are cheap and easy for screening. It is illegal to not hire someone, strictly because they have that card...
Huh?

When did "pot smoker" become a protected class?
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:15 AM
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Huh?

When did "pot smoker" become a protected class?

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Old 09-29-2013, 09:42 AM
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What will your insurance company/ police do if that employee gets in an accident or severe accident and injures or kills another person. Will they deny your claim?
I can personally attest to this liability.....
Several years ago, I hired a guy to help me with my maintenance accounts. One day he comes into work a bit out of sorts. He was coherent, but was acting like he had just woken up. I asked him if he was okay, and he brightened up real quick. While out working, he came within 1/2" of plowing into a natural gas meter with my big mower at full speed. When I saw it happen, I just about died. Long story short, he was smoking weed earlier that day--he got terminated.
Had he hit that pipe on the meter (and sheared it), there would have been a fireball the size of a semi. The neighborhood was a cluster home community with no more than 5' between houses, so many would have likely burned down. My $2M in liability insurance wouldn't have even covered half the damages.
Moral of the story: if you use any substance that causes impairment of motor skills, you won't have a job with me.
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:34 PM
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DVS the stereotype guy?
My buddy has a landscape biz with a crew of 5.
They all smoke weed, but never on the job.
They are all "American" (which I take by that you mean caucasian?)
They all have a very good work ethic and do extremely talented work, from landscape to hardscape.
Lucky guy he is, huh?
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:43 PM
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DVS the stereotype guy?
My buddy has a landscape biz with a crew of 5.
They all smoke weed, but never on the job.
They are all "American" (which I take by that you mean caucasian?)
They all have a very good work ethic and do extremely talented work, from landscape to hardscape.
Lucky guy he is, huh?
I guess whatever floats his boat.

Just cause people do what they do doesn't make them automatically bad workers

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Old 09-30-2013, 01:12 PM
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To the original poster jmkr02.
A simple google search looking for the answers for your state(Michigan), pulled up over 50 sites dealing with "Labor". State sites, federal sites, U.S. sites etc. on and on and on. You choose to use "their system" it is upon you to do the information gathering. So it sounds like you have a lot of reading to do to figure out what it is you want answered from your legal, ordinance, statutory form of employer you are.

Jmkr02 you said "I think Federal trumps state". Wrong so absolutely wrong. Federal is a de jure form of government.

In my opinion and in my survival operation I would decline from adding any individual that does "drugs". We decline smokers as well. We have a long list and I do not give 2 sh!ts what someone else says. It isn't hard to understand. You or anybody who "burns" anything and inhales it into their body on purpose is extremely incompetent.


No one has any authority to tell me how to run my "competent" survival operation.

I'll await your conclusions original poster jmkr02. Get on it. Read.
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Old 09-30-2013, 01:46 PM
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To the original poster jmkr02.
A simple google search looking for the answers for your state(Michigan), pulled up over 50 sites dealing with "Labor". State sites, federal sites, U.S. sites etc. on and on and on. You choose to use "their system" it is upon you to do the information gathering. So it sounds like you have a lot of reading to do to figure out what it is you want answered from your legal, ordinance, statutory form of employer you are.

Jmkr02 you said "I think Federal trumps state". Wrong so absolutely wrong. Federal is a de jure form of government.

In my opinion and in my survival operation I would decline from adding any individual that does "drugs". We decline smokers as well. We have a long list and I do not give 2 sh!ts what someone else says. It isn't hard to understand. You or anybody who "burns" anything and inhales it into their body on purpose is extremely incompetent.


No one has any authority to tell me how to run my "competent" survival operation.

I'll await your conclusions original poster jmkr02. Get on it. Read.
Oh boy, just wait til the resident socialists\marxists here on LS read that.
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Old 09-30-2013, 03:00 PM
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To the original poster jmkr02.
A simple google search looking for the answers for your state(Michigan), pulled up over 50 sites dealing with "Labor". State sites, federal sites, U.S. sites etc. on and on and on. You choose to use "their system" it is upon you to do the information gathering. So it sounds like you have a lot of reading to do to figure out what it is you want answered from your legal, ordinance, statutory form of employer you are.

Jmkr02 you said "I think Federal trumps state". Wrong so absolutely wrong. Federal is a de jure form of government.

In my opinion and in my survival operation I would decline from adding any individual that does "drugs". We decline smokers as well. We have a long list and I do not give 2 sh!ts what someone else says. It isn't hard to understand. You or anybody who "burns" anything and inhales it into their body on purpose is extremely incompetent.


No one has any authority to tell me how to run my "competent" survival operation.

I'll await your conclusions original poster jmkr02. Get on it. Read.

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