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Old 10-02-2013, 08:40 PM
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He still believes the ground under ANY species is pefectly flat and will allow an extra short mowing without damage. He has no idea of the work involved in topdressing and leveling that allow for those short mowings. The average lawn in any state, any species of grass and any soil composition will unlikely tolerate mowing of less than 2". That's fact and knowledge that comes with experience. But you go ahead and continue to pontificate about things you know nothing about from your stack of business books. Meanwhile the rest of us that do this for a living will continue doing what is right for the grass which oddly enough makes the customers want to give us money. Go figure.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:48 PM
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I'll let you know how things go in the next year when my doors are open after school.
So you have no real world experience but you know it all...got it.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:26 PM
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This is something I built at my home in 1992 and maintained for 17 years. Due to a back injury, I needed help resurfacing it (from seed) in 2004. I took it out Spring 2010. Having been unable to play golf since September 2001, it just got to be a chore taking care of it. There is just over 5' of elevation change from its lowest to its highest part. It is quite undulating. While not flat, there were several flat planes. It was built as a practice facility mimicking 3 different periods of golf course architecture - it would be unusual to find something like this on a golf course.

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My general maintenance height of cut ranged from 0.130" - 0.135." For rare special occasions I would take it a hair under 0.125" It got cut at least 6 days a week. Most of the time I would skip 1 day, cut it 5 days, and double cut it 1 day.

The fringe/practice fairway area was cut three times a week at 0.385"

This, as everyone but one person here knows, cannot be done with a rotary mower, can't be done suddenly or arbitrarily, and certainly cannot be done with any of the typical lawn grasses that also have the ability to survive at 3" IF the fringe/practice fairway section of this ever got as high as 1/2" it would take me 7-10 days to work it back down to its normal height.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:24 AM
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This is something I built at my home in 1992 and maintained for 17 years. Due to a back injury, I needed help resurfacing it (from seed) in 2004. I took it out Spring 2010. Having been unable to play golf since September 2001, it just got to be a chore taking care of it. There is just over 5' of elevation change from its lowest to its highest part. It is quite undulating. While not flat, there were several flat planes. It was built as a practice facility mimicking 3 different periods of golf course architecture - it would be unusual to find something like this on a golf course.

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My general maintenance height of cut ranged from 0.130" - 0.135." For rare special occasions I would take it a hair under 0.125" It got cut at least 6 days a week. Most of the time I would skip 1 day, cut it 5 days, and double cut it 1 day.

The fringe/practice fairway area was cut three times a week at 0.385"

This, as everyone but one person here knows, cannot be done with a rotary mower, can't be done suddenly or arbitrarily, and certainly cannot be done with any of the typical lawn grasses that also have the ability to survive at 3" IF the fringe/practice fairway section of this ever got as high as 1/2" it would take me 7-10 days to work it back down to its normal height.
Looks very good indeed. But I'm sure we all agree on the fact and understand we wouldn't touch something at an 1" with a rotary mower.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:53 AM
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There are also some grasses that are not adapted at all to a HOC less than 2". I see it done and get asked to save the lawn because weeds are invading and/or desired species is rapidly declining. Never would I suggest that St Augustine or Tall fescue get a low mowing unless the objective is removal of those grasses from the lawn.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:54 AM
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So you have no real world experience but you know it all...got it.
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You stand correct. Only 6-years of mowing in a criminal justice institution working from sun-up to sun-down for a warden and the state at no extra cost, besides three hots and a cot. I was only allowed to read books on lawns and soil structures from inside a cell 24/hours a day while putting about 15,000 hours behind the wardens equipment. All while earning a few degrees and several other trades. It doesn't take rocket science to get behind equipment, it don't take rocket science for someone to know not to cut a lawn at 1" without a reel, and it doesn't take rocket science to know how to make customers happy. You might have a hard time believing this, but I had a cell mate that I worked with for three years that had a murder charge, but on the other hand could break down soil structures down all the way from the texture to the property of oxides, down to aggregation, and root properties.

If you wanted me to be honest with you, since discovering this forum. I've been able to learn, soak in, and discover a whole new outlook to another side of the business. I can indeed tell you, I've seen many members here such as Smallaxe, Agrostics, Riggle, Dave, and several others that know, understand, and appreciate the value of our soils and grasses throughout Northern America. But since joining this forum, I've also seen many members that could take in some good education on how to run a business. Not to say this persons way's wrong, this person's way is right, but learning business ethics, customer service, and business operation management would make some here some real contenders in the market.

I don't come here to flame, roast, or question anyone. I came to this forum because I have a passion for grass, not a passion for wasting my time. I already don't have enough hours in the sunlight. And I can assure you I definitely don't/won't/wouldn't have enough time to come to a public forum and criticize someone who put's money in my wallet. Some leads me to believe that the original poster came to the forum thinking that he was roasting a customer, not realizing the fact that there's many types of grass strands that enjoy being cut far below 1.5", especially the particular grass that sets on my lawn.

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Old 10-03-2013, 07:01 AM
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This subject comes up a lot on LS. Its all about communication with your customer. Its not about who's right or wrong, its all about the health of the turf. My customers know from the begining that the only thing that determines cut height is the type of turf, the health of the turf and the lay of the land.
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:02 PM
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You stand correct. Only 6-years of mowing in a criminal justice institution working from sun-up to sun-down for a warden and the state at no extra cost, besides three hots and a cot. I was only allowed to read books on lawns and soil structures from inside a cell 24/hours a day while putting about 15,000 hours behind the wardens equipment. All while earning a few degrees and several other trades. It doesn't take rocket science to get behind equipment, it don't take rocket science for someone to know not to cut a lawn at 1" without a reel, and it doesn't take rocket science to know how to make customers happy. You might have a hard time believing this, but I had a cell mate that I worked with for three years that had a murder charge, but on the other hand could break down soil structures down all the way from the texture to the property of oxides, down to aggregation, and root properties.

If you wanted me to be honest with you, since discovering this forum. I've been able to learn, soak in, and discover a whole new outlook to another side of the business. I can indeed tell you, I've seen many members here such as Smallaxe, Agrostics, Riggle, Dave, and several others that know, understand, and appreciate the value of our soils and grasses throughout Northern America. But since joining this forum, I've also seen many members that could take in some good education on how to run a business. Not to say this persons way's wrong, this person's way is right, but learning business ethics, customer service, and business operation management would make some here some real contenders in the market.

I don't come here to flame, roast, or question anyone. I came to this forum because I have a passion for grass, not a passion for wasting my time. I already don't have enough hours in the sunlight. And I can assure you I definitely don't/won't/wouldn't have enough time to come to a public forum and criticize someone who put's money in my wallet. Some leads me to believe that the original poster came to the forum thinking that he was roasting a customer, not realizing the fact that there's many types of grass strands that enjoy being cut far below 1.5", especially the particular grass that sets on my lawn.
That's a real impressive resume you have there. I am sure the prison grounds had nothing but the finest turf growing on them. You have certainly spent enough time here being the minority on a factual based discussion. You also mention teaching classes? What school hires a convicted felon? I still don't know why you are here. You don't own an LCO or even work for one. There is a homeowner section, but you already profess to know more than everybody else on here. You have this notion that customers come here looking to see if their LCO is flaming them. This is a forum for us to share advice, opinion and humor. Most of us don't put our company names on here because this is not meant as an advertising site.
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:06 PM
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SOME FACTS ABOUT MOWING
Kentucky Bluegrass/Ryegrass/Fescue
A.J. Powell, Jr.
Turfgrass Extension Specialist
University of Kentucky

As the mowing height is lowered, increase
the mowing frequency. For example, if you mow
in the spring at a 2½ inch height, you can usually
get by with a frequency of one mowing per week;
if you mow at 1½ inch height you will often
need to mow every 4 to 5 days
; if you mow at 1
inch, mow 3 times/week.


According to Turf Grass Specialist, mowing at 1 1/2" as the poster stated in his original post, you will have to mow more frequently rather than less frequently at a higher cut height.

Who's going to be cutting more? Who's going to have a higher net? Who's going to have more business in the end?

Your statement would have been "valid" and "correct" if you told the poster not to cut more than a 1/3rd of the blade off at one time. But assuming that healthy grass being cut at 1 1/2" as he stated is hacked, is completely "incorrect" and "invalid."

Maybe you need to quit cutting grass daily and educate yourself in reality. Anyone can cut grass, but understanding how grass grows and soil structure works is a completely different ballgame.
http://www.penningtonseed.com/Learn-...Mowing-Heights

I tried to find a pop up book for you. This is geared more towards homeowner questions so you should be able to follow along. Notice the only grasses below 2" are southern types. Types you wont find in Long Island or even much farther north than the Carolinas.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:45 PM
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SOME FACTS ABOUT MOWING
Kentucky Bluegrass/Ryegrass/Fescue
A.J. Powell, Jr.
Turfgrass Extension Specialist
University of Kentucky

As the mowing height is lowered, increase
the mowing frequency. For example, if you mow
in the spring at a 2½ inch height, you can usually
get by with a frequency of one mowing per week;
if you mow at 1½ inch height you will often
need to mow every 4 to 5 days
; if you mow at 1
inch, mow 3 times/week.


According to Turf Grass Specialist, mowing at 1 1/2" as the poster stated in his original post, you will have to mow more frequently rather than less frequently at a higher cut height.

Who's going to be cutting more? Who's going to have a higher net? Who's going to have more business in the end?

Your statement would have been "valid" and "correct" if you told the poster not to cut more than a 1/3rd of the blade off at one time. But assuming that healthy grass being cut at 1 1/2" as he stated is hacked, is completely "incorrect" and "invalid."

Maybe you need to quit cutting grass daily and educate yourself in reality. Anyone can cut grass, but understanding how grass grows and soil structure works is a completely different ballgame.
Just to chime in on this, you're assuming that this lawn has a sprinkler system, is being watered rigorously by the homeowner, or we're getting 3 or so inches of rain per week with mild temperatures, and that the lawn is on a regular fertilization schedule applied by a seasoned trained professional, not an idiot at True Brown. Cutting cool season grasses at this height without a controlled environment, will absolutely kill the grass and turn a lawn into a weed farm.

Golf courses are meticulously maintained. Proper fertilization, overseeding, aerations, special dwarf strains of grass, and constant mowing while being properly watered by a massive sprinkler system. These properties are maintained DAILY by licensed professionals. And yes, they will brown out if even the SLIGHTEST thing goes wrong. Hurricane Irene totalled a golf course near my hometown, by it being underwater for four days. Killed everything.

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