Register free!
Search
 
     

The Green Industry's Resource Center


Click for Weather
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-04-2013, 07:39 PM
sven1277 sven1277 is offline
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Gales Ferry, CT
Posts: 560
wtf dot!

Stopped at the weigh station in a 3500 dump and sa enclosed trailer with gvwr of 2990lbs. After conferring with another officer because he wasn't sure about the law, I was given a ticket for not having brakes on the trailer because the reg tag on the trailer had the gawr of 3500lbs. I bought this trailer new and the manufacturer set the gvwr. Dot officer said because the tag said 3500, it needed brakes. He copied the law he sited me for.

"sec. 14-81. Brake equipment of trailers. Each trailer or semitrailer having a gross weight of three thousand pounds or more shall, when operated on any public highway, be equipped with a braking system operating on all wheels."

My interpretation of this law is gross vehicle weight, not gross axle weight. I know that most single axle trailers have 3500lb axles. There is supposed to be a cushion. My truck's gvwr is 12,000 lbs, its gawr is 13,3000 lbs.

I thought this tidbit was funny. According to the gawr, it needs brakes, so I got a ticket. If they weighed it and it was over its gvwr of 2990 lbs, I could have also been ticketed. By the way, this whole process took an hour with me and an employee sitting in the truck.

He didn't weigh it. He actually wasn't an ass, but it is very frustrating for me as someone who does try to comply with dot regs, which is difficult. I had my medical card. I thought I was perfectly legal with this trailer. I called my very reputable trailer dealer, and he confirmed to me I was legal. Whenever I have dealt with dot, it seems that everything is up to their interpretation. And it is different for every officer. There is too much grey area, too many rules. Please give me some feedback. I plan plead not guilty and provide a copy of the registration which shows the 2990 gvwr. Argh! Thanks for listening to my rant.
__________________
'05,08 Chevy 3500 Dump
00 Chevy 2500
61" Scag turf tigers
61" Wright zk
ASV SR 70
Takeuchi 135
Kubota 7610 40" rotadarion
20' enclosed 10k lawncare trailer
18' aluminum 12k equipment trailer
35hp Giant Vac leaf loader
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-04-2013, 08:04 PM
jlcrox2 jlcrox2 is offline
LawnSite Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Lawrenceburg, KY
Posts: 67
There is definitely a lot of discretion these guys have. I think it's a look till you find something mentality. I once got a warning for having cones on the truck when the officer "preferred" we have reflective triangles.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-04-2013, 08:05 PM
Armsden&Son Armsden&Son is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: adirondacks, NY
Posts: 1,756
Buddy, believe me, I feel you. I can honestly say that to figure out the DOT laws, you probably need a team of 5 lawyers working around the clock 365 days a year. Every state is different and it is just plain ridiculous. "Too much grey area and too many rules" This sums it up my friend.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-06-2013, 12:04 AM
ecurbthims ecurbthims is online now
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: sudbury ontario
Posts: 435
I am in Canada and can positively confirm its the same here .One grey area after another ,every officer interprets it his way ,and ask for real answers and they wont give you any .Your licence office might be able to re-register your trailer a pound under the limit for needing brakes ,but you better make sure you don't get pulled onto a scale if you happen to be over that limit .
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-06-2013, 12:08 AM
baileylawnservice's Avatar
baileylawnservice baileylawnservice is offline
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Tulsa OK
Posts: 498
Wow I would be screwed my trailer gvw us 13,000 and I only have brakes on one axle
__________________
Bailey Lawn Service of Tulsa
61" turf tiger with kohler efi
36" scag v-ride
Shindaiwa t-270, eb-630
Scag giant vac w/ 18 hp vanguard
Redmax 8500
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-06-2013, 08:48 PM
hosejockey2002's Avatar
hosejockey2002 hosejockey2002 is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Auburn, WA
Posts: 1,193
Just fight the ticket and you should win. Your trailer (like mine) is derated to 2990 GVWR to get around the brake requirement. The trailer can actually handle 3500, but if you were stopped and weighed over 3000, you could be cited for not having brakes and it would stick.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-06-2013, 09:08 PM
Marek Marek is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,275
Its a big money maker for a broke govt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Often they will look till the find something and if they find multiple they may let some of it slide. I bet the Average ticket is 300.00
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-12-2013, 08:14 PM
lawnspecialties lawnspecialties is offline
LawnSite Silver Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Garner, NC
Posts: 2,500
Unfortunately a big problem is where you are. Down in the south nobody really cares. If I pulled any of my trucks into a weight station, they would look at me like I'm crazy.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-12-2013, 08:22 PM
LandFakers's Avatar
LandFakers LandFakers is offline
LawnSite Fanatic
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: CT
Posts: 5,660
CT dot is the worst. Friend got 27 violations in one stop. Rediculous
__________________
Rob

PlowSite-SnowFakers
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-12-2013, 09:57 PM
DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING DEPENDABLE LANDSCAPING is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: dennis ma.
Posts: 1,344
Quote:
Originally Posted by LandFakers View Post
CT dot is the worst. Friend got 27 violations in one stop. Rediculous
Mass isn't much better!
Posted via Mobile Device
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1998 - 2012, LawnSite.comô - Moose River Media
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:06 AM.

Page generated in 0.07859 seconds with 7 queries