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Old 01-23-2014, 07:48 PM
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It's no propaganda. At the time Stihl was developing their 4 mix, there were no stratocharged 2 strokes. About the time Stihl was getting close to bringing them to market, Redmax came out with the strato engines, and they were able to meet and exceed EPA's BS regs. Stihl already had hundreds of millions invested in the 4 mix, but they bought over 100K starto engines from RM before deciding to go head since their investment in the 4 mix was so steep at that point. Simple as that.

Now they know they can make a 2 stroke that will meet epa regs. Besides, many of us like the 4 mix engines because of their torque. They are easy to start and good on fuel. I run both types in my business, and each has its place.
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Old 01-23-2014, 08:31 PM
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Must have taken Stihl a long time to develop those 4 mixes:

"RedMax is the original inventor of the world’s first stratified-charged 2-stroke engine.
Introduced in 1998, our state-of-the-art Strato-Charged engines are designed with advanced technology that reduces impact on the environment through efficient engine design, increased fuel economy and reduced emissions.
For ten years, this proven technology has delivered maximum performance in a light, rugged design with outstanding features that set it apart from the competition. The Strato-Charged 2-stroke engine:
Achieves up to 20% more fuel efficiency than standard 2-stroke engines Produces low emissions that meet regulations without the need for a heated, heavy catalytic converter Requires no valve adjustments, oil changes or daily oil reservoir level checks Generates 15 to 20% more horsepower than a typical 4-stroke or 4-stroke hybrid engine of the same engine displacement size Includes the hallmarks of RedMax engineering and design: MaxPower, MaxTorque, MaxSpeed, MaxAcceleration, MaxPerformance and MaxTechnology RedMax’s Strato-Charged 2-stroke engines operate at maximum efficiency with just three moving parts. By comparison, 4-stroke or 4-stroke hybrid engines contain as many as 30 moving parts."
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Old 01-23-2014, 08:44 PM
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They were meeting regs of the epa at the time they were developed t, but the epa tightened them drastically well after the strato engine was designed. Stihl and most other companies didn't think any two stroke would be able to meet the new regs, but RM kept refining their engines until they not only met, but surpassed the regs. It seems you might believe that Stihl developed the 4 mix in a very short period of time, but that isn't true. They were in the works from about the early 2000's or maybe even '98/99.

I had a link to a lengthy article by an industry reporter all this, but can't find it anymore. I think it is still in our old computer.
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Old 01-23-2014, 09:17 PM
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The strato engine was out before Stihl put all it's money on the 4 mix. Stihl just insisted no 2 stroke could meet the EPA standards and they were wrong.
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Old 01-23-2014, 10:10 PM
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The strato was out about the same time that Stihl started developing the 4 mix, not way before. Stihl was not the only manu who thought they were going to have to do something different. They all did. You have a chip on your shoulder against Stihl, fine by me, but at least get all the facts right. I use Stihl, Husky J-Red.... it really makes no difference to me. If it does what I want, that's all that matters to me.
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