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Old 11-22-2013, 08:12 PM
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What are your thoughts on installing during early winter months

Here in Michigan the winter can be long or short. This year it seems to be coming a littler early compared to the past 3 or 4 years. My question is the following;

1. Compaction seems like it would be a concern. As long as the ground isnít frozen just yet, how much would you alter your base prep outside of your typical 2inch lifts? Wider/deeper footings?

2. Other than tarping your base material and area of work, any other recommendations to help? Or avoid all together.
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:01 PM
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Im about to start one monday, i let the customer know we have to work around the weather and it could be days or weeks. Not doing anything differently besides using anti hydro in mortar and wearing an extra shirt. As long as its not frozen, i say good to go.
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Old 11-24-2013, 12:22 PM
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On my last job now and have to compact and put poly sand. -13 tomorrow. We have it tarped with insulated blankets and after that I'm done. Been a long year.
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Old 11-24-2013, 01:47 PM
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When it's that cold out, do you shrink the lifts you compact in?
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Old 11-24-2013, 01:53 PM
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When it's that cold out, do you shrink the lifts you compact in?
I wouldn't think it would make a difference. If the granular is not frozen then normal compacting lifts wouldn't hurt.
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Old 12-13-2013, 12:58 AM
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Heres a situation im dealing with right now, finished the base, then it rained for three days and dropped below freezing for a week.

Do i need to let it warm up to do my sand? If so, how long? BASE IS COMPACTED
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Old 12-13-2013, 07:56 AM
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Assuming your base is truly finished than in theory you could lay over it frozen or not. What I would be concerned about is frost heave, especially inconsistency of such. If your base is 12" or more throughout than it's less of an issue, but if you went 4-6" or have varying depths than I would closely look at the area first. If there is any frost lift I would hold off. The other issue is temps are not supposed to get any better for a week or two. You would also need to source unfrozen sand and keep the system thawed through screeding, install, cuts, and final compaction.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:25 AM
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Heres a situation im dealing with right now, finished the base, then it rained for three days and dropped below freezing for a week.

Do i need to let it warm up to do my sand? If so, how long? BASE IS COMPACTED
How about a propane blow torch and thaw the base?
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:35 AM
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I was going to make a ghetto tent and pump the diesel heater. The patio is on the north side of the house and in the shadow of it so there is no sun on it. I went heavy on the base, 8" minimum.

It might warm up a little end of next week, if we dont get too much snow saturday
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