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Old 01-09-2014, 09:08 PM
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I know a good steak house on the edge of Waikiki. This one is not for the tourists. It is first class.

I could meet gardner in San Diego for the second leg but I'm afraid he wouldn't leave.
hahaha, you got that right! I wonder what the sports turf market is like in SD.....???
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Hybrid bermuda might have problems with all of the rain unless it is one of the new varieties that are partially shade tolerant. I am maintaining two Celebration lawns and one Tifgrand lawn. Both of those are doing much better than the common or older hybrids at this time of the year. Not enough sun and too much water will actually slow down bermuda. It is not like St Augustine.
I believe Celebration is the most common hybrid variety here. Do you cut yours 2x/week?
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I know a good steak house on the edge of Waikiki. This one is not for the tourists. It is first class.

I could meet gardner in San Diego for the second leg but I'm afraid he wouldn't leave.
Then he will have to learn how to deal with fescue. Which is not hard in San Diego. Too cool and dry for it to have problems there.
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:14 PM
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Especially when trying to remedy SA severely mismanaged in the past. The only time I have seen thatched SA in my town are the lawns that are scalped, then fertilized. Wash, rinse repeat. The ones that are just scalped naturally covert to weeds. The SA lawns that are not cut too low, consequently not needing to be "greened up" after being cut within an inch of their life never need it. Of course, this is on SA growing on heavy red clay. On sand, SA, stays pretty thin. People do not water or fertilize it enough to cause problems.
Sixty inches of rain in six months combined with high heat, humidity and long hours of sunlight and we can get 10" of growth a week without very much help from fert. That massive growth every week for months does cause thatch here. Throw in over fertilizing and irrigation running during rain storms and thatch gets real nasty here. But I concede your point irrigation, mowing, and fertilization management is important regardless of location
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:16 PM
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I believe Celebration is the most common hybrid variety here. Do you cut yours 2x/week?
No need. It does not grow fast enough to need mowing twice a week here. At low heights of cut with a reel, that becomes the growth regulator for it. Low cut grass tends not to overgrow here. Even in summer, our daylength and average high temperatures are barely what bermuda needs. Grass behaves differently when it is not rotary mowed. Bermuda or zoysia becomes a fast growing shaggy mess when it is kept at over 3/4". What I do with my lawns is go as low as I can in summer and raise the HOC when the grass is not really growing. The people that cut lower when the grass is not growing really get into trouble. I know of zoysia lawns here that look nice, neat and manicured, but are pale. The lawn guy mows the lawn twice a month with a McLane set down to 1/4".
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:18 PM
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Ok 10" may be an exaggeration but you get the point
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Sixty inches of rain in six months combined with high heat, humidity and long hours of sunlight and we can get 10" of growth a week without very much help from fert. That massive growth every week for months does cause thatch here. Throw in over fertilizing and irrigation running during rain storms and thatch gets real nasty here. But I concede your point irrigation, mowing, and fertilization management is important regardless of location
I can see that. My lawns would be on Primo if they ever grew 10" per week. It is not a habit for me, but I have done it to zoysia that grew more than 1" per week in spite of me restricting irrigation. Starving the grass is out because starved zoysia gets dollar spot bad.
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Ok 10" may be an exaggeration but you get the point
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Ok 10" may be an exaggeration but you get the point
Not an exaggeration. I have seen 10" high lawns. My worst was an overfed zoysia lawn. The overfeeding was done with slow release granules so the poor guy had to deal with this for about 3 months.
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:22 PM
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I can see that. My lawns would be on Primo if they ever grew 10" per week. It is not a habit for me, but I have done it to zoysia that grew more than 1" per week in spite of me restricting irrigation. Starving the grass is out because starved zoysia gets dollar spot bad.
I've thought long and hard about primo. In your experience do you get yellowing? And how long do you get growth suppression? I swear buy cuttless and atrimmec on ornamentals like sweet viburnum and buttonwood
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