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Old 02-21-2014, 02:19 PM
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Turfmd and Skip,

I am inline with your thought processes. After a greater understanding and learning, I try to make the practical applied knowledge as simple as possible.

Looking at Terra Preta mineral soils, and the future of biochar in a biobased economy, it all made more and more sense to look in this direction.

Humic substances have their place in building/improving mineral soil health, stabilizing N and P, and as a powerful chelator of Micros.

Should we call Humic Substances a "Micronutrent"?
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:38 PM
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http://www.soilminerals.com/Cation_E...Simplified.htm

Larry,

Open this link and read the "Organic Matter and Humus" section first.


See the addition of humic substances as Colloidal sites for the Calcium Carbonates to attach to, in your high pH soils. In turn you will see your soils pH begin to fall and micros will become more available to plants.
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:51 PM
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http://www.humates.co.nz/how


One more informative link in English.
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Old 02-21-2014, 05:45 PM
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What I want to know is -- where's my free LawnSite t-shirt for generating this much interest? lol

Spraying humic acid never gave us any response whatsoever. We used "Carbotech" (Iowa) for 2 years back in the 90's. Said their humic acid fert was the best thing since sliced bread, but we saw no difference -- even at their highest rate. http://www.tuttgroup.com

"Carbotech Iowa" sold us a bill of goods. They said they screened it, yet it was like coffee grounds (fine sand at best). We used the smallest screen size possible in our fill station. Same with our spray rigs. It was a total mess, cuz we couldn't spray the sh$t. On top of that, it was only N,P,K. No micro's to speak of. Carbotech promised if we spread their sh$t on top of the ground, everything would be better.

Lesson learned on my part.
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Old 02-21-2014, 06:05 PM
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What I want to know is -- where's my free LawnSite t-shirt for generating this much interest? lol

Spraying humic acid never gave us any response whatsoever. We used "Carbotech" (Iowa) for 2 years back in the 90's. Said their humic acid fert was the best thing since sliced bread, but we saw no difference -- even at their highest rate. http://www.tuttgroup.com

"Carbotech Iowa" sold us a bill of goods. They said they screened it, yet it was like coffee grounds (fine sand at best). We used the smallest screen size possible in our fill station. Same with our spray rigs. It was a total mess, cuz we couldn't spray the sh$t. On top of that, it was only N,P,K. No micro's to speak of. Carbotech promised if we spread their sh$t on top of the ground, everything would be better.

Lesson learned on my part.
Liquid Humic acid is best applied in small amounts several times rather than at higher rates at one application. I sent you an email. Check it out.
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Old 02-21-2014, 06:13 PM
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Thanks Barry, and we will continue to be a customer of yours.
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Old 02-21-2014, 09:44 PM
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Microbial populations are determined by the conditions that exist at a particular site. There are a lot of things that impact this, like temperature, pH, nutrient sources, soil chemical composition, C:N ratios in soil organic matter, etc. When a set of conditions exist on a site, populations of microbes that thrive in those conditions increase. Populations of microbes that do not thrive under those conditions decrease.

The microbial populations that beneficially interact with plants are found in the highest numbers in places where plant life is healthy and abundant. Research from Tx A&M showed that the microbes didn’t have to be there for this to begin. Microbes will colonize in areas that have the resources they need. When we do the things that stimulate healthy plant populations, the microbial populations naturally follow.

I think understanding the science behind what we do is important. I think it’s important to know not only ‘what’ to do, but also ‘why’ to do it. Knowledge is power. It helps you to separate good product info from bad info. It helps you to understand the different things you’ll come across in this business and not be stumped just because a particular situation is different from your routine. It also helps to establish professionalism for our industry.
So "build it" and "they will come". I think that can be related to fungus, undesirable weeds, certain turf damaging insects & certain structural pests. Build a great bar and drinkers will come. Build a great turf site, the posters come out. Build the best products you sell out. I could go on & on... And on.

The point is, if you create a desirable habitat for any distinctive variety of living organism, more than likely, populations of your target organism will populate the particular habitat. Even building a great culture will bring vast populations. So, let's get building on our horti- culture!!!
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:20 PM
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Turfmd,

Agree on building the soil. We will continue to go this route as well.

Larry I can relate to your messy past with the form you were using....Reminds me of the days of Kelzan and Nitroform Powder Blue LoL.

What we are using is not like the days of old.

Build soil biology.
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:22 PM
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Thanks all. I think what I was getting at is:

Why keep applying large amounts of slow release nitrogen every single app?

Most guys in my town rely on nitrogen in every app. I want to get away from that, but only if it makes sense.

We mostly apply granular fert (for several reasons). Yet we also apply liquid fert as needed.

NOTE: We trust & buy from Barry. I just wish I knew as much as the rest of you all. I truly appreciate all your input for sure. Thanks

p.s. Still waiting for my t-shirt.
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:04 PM
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We recently increased prices approx 5-6%. Reason is we are increasing the amount and number of micronutrients in our turf program. We know what our major competitors are applying, and I will match our nutrient program against any in our market. Thumbs down.

2014 renewals are coming in hot & heavy right now, but we're getting customers asking if we can lower their price. So here's what we tell them:

"We can charge you last years' price if we can use what competitors are using".

I will not post the responses we've received right now. I'd rather hear from you.

Do you offer two different options/prices for this? thoughts?
Larry,

What have you decided post discussion with materials choice and price points?
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